I'm inclined to agree. TNO does not think that GC is inept or stupid. Rather, you make formidable opponents. The problems come, at least as far as the fleet goes, in two areas. 1) The war with BDE. That will have depleted the best and brightest from several GC fleets, albeit not all of them. 2) The rapid gathering and the logistical problems inherent in bringing so many different fleets together and not giving them time to train with one another. Especially with greener troops from, say, Azguard and the Cren Alliance.

That's not even mentioning the economic problems that started this thread, which should affect (at least imo) at least the Azguards and Cren Alliance.

There seems like there is a preconcieved notion that GC is a single, unified federated government like TNO or BDE, because it's not. It's a "a tight-knit group of independant governments". If some of those independent governments like the Azguards or Crens take a lot of losses in the GC-BDE war, then yes, they will likely have military losses and thus have fewer experience troops, and less of a military force than they have before. But what about the governments within the Coalition that aren't involved with that war? Does it make any sense for them to have any significant losses or problems with a war they're not involved in?

That's my major point. Would anyone contend it?

In my many arguments with Dolash about the GC-BDE war, he impressed upon me that most of the GC military was pressed into the attack on BDE space. Something like the entirety of Eastern half as well as a good portion of the Western half. I have no idea what TNO and the GC are up to at the moment thats sparked this thread or the arguments therein, but I'm aware that whatever is going on, theres very few ships, and people, to spread about.

Yes, they would still suffer. The presentation of the Coalition, as I understand it, is a large central government (made up of the Eastern Province, the Western Province, etc.) in addition to some subfactions - the Confederacy, Onyx, etc. When Dolash designed the Second Wave ships, they were designed for the "Coalition". Since then you and Joren have come along and set up subfactions, yes, but it seems to me that there is still a large chunk of "Coalition" not divided into subfactions, just under the banner of "the Coalition". Remember, the GC was formed from three Empires, so that central chunk is still presumably operated in that sort of manner (though not as tightly knit as TNO).

When "the Coalition" goes to war (as with BDE), it is that central government that goes to war. So even if the Confederacy does not supply troops and ships, they are going to feel an economic drain as either a) the central government increases taxes, b) the central government cuts services to direct money into its war, or c) the central government wracks up tremendous debt.

So while the Confederacy (for example) might not feel the strain as much as the Cren Alliance, they will share some of the burden. And the Coalition as a whole will still suffer on an economic level - unless you're saying that the Confederacy is not going to contribute to the rebuilding of the rest of the GC (i.e. rebuilding destroyed cities, not strictly military spending).

When a unified force like the GC goes to war, the entire GC will suffer. Some parts more than others, of course, but they will all suffer.


Joren: with regards to your post, you're presenting your soldiers as experts, in spite of the fact that
a) you stated the build up took less than day. That means it was rushed, and since you have ships from each subfaction present, it means your various groups have likely not trained together, and so working together will be hard.
b) the "greater Coalition" just got out of a major war. The Onyx and Confederacy troops might be the best, but the Cren et al. soldiers will be second rate.

My main point was not than your soldiers suck, but that your organization is poor, because of the mishmash of ships and species, and because of how fast your build up was. There simply would not have been time to train the different groups to work together, and that sort of thing.

Each individual might be an awesome soldier, but as a unit, their performance could be better.

If you guys stop arguing I'll buy you all a lapdance.

Will you be giving it?

Tonight is my night off.

Drayson, I agree. Will incorporate into future posts. However, per rules, I am using a PC (highly experienced and trained), while you are have NPCs opposing.

Something to keep in mind.

Aren't you being tortured presently? Here

I could be wrong I suppose...


..still, being tortured might tend to wash away experience, training and performance.

Just a thought.

*chuckles at the RP title edit*










*continues stacking grey blocks*