Except point 1 is flawed. Again, do your research before assuming. And yeah I didn't really read past point 1. Cause you still started with the same wrong example and idea. So, while it might not be a fair assumption, it could be taken that if point 1 is flawed, the rest are very flawed as well? Or they could be wonderfully accurate. But that would require me to spend my time reading it when you still refuse to do your research and use the handy little search function. I'd try it sometime before continuing in this discussion.

First of all, Jan, I did do the research you're asking for. I'm not sure what thread you're talking about, since I don't have time to read them all, but of the ones I saw (the first three browser pages on a search for "economy"), the only ones that had anything to do with building the economy were started by Corise. I may be wrong - like I said, I don't have time to read them all - but that's what I saw.

Secondly, the point of a compromise is that both sides give up something in order to reach an agreement. The GC economy is not in the toilet, and TNO's is not as good as we have believed. Portions of the GC are still recovering from war (logically, that won't happen in a month), but other parts are strong. We're trying to reach an agreement here, Jan. TNO is not going to bend over and take it up the butt from you or anyone else in the Coalition. Demos brought up valid points that have been fleshed out and must be taken into account. Corise's posts were also taken into account. If you had contributed anything of substance to this thread, I would have added your views as well, but since you haven't, I pretty much ignored your rants.

Now, is there anything of value you would like to add? If so, let me know, and it can be worked into a compromise. Otherwise, shut up.

I believe the Corellian Star Defenders in that list of Jan's were built by the Coalition originally and were taken at the end of the last war. At least we took something or other ships that size at the end.

I'm not saying the threads directly say the words "economy". I'm also not saything the threads are new. I'm saying if you search for information on the subfactions whose economies you so easily dismiss as being bad, you will find that this could not be the case, judging by the work that has beeen put into the referenced subfaction by the RPer (me) who is complaining about this. I'm saying if you want to cite a subfaction in your argument, research said subfactions and find out information on them FIRST, before using them in your argument. Like for writing an essay for school, you don't just make up facts or examples, you do research to find accurate examples to use. Your teacher isn't going to go and find your examples for you. In the same way, I'm not going to find the information you lack to disprove your faulted example, because you have given me no reason to. You have put in no effort to research. I know the work is there. I wrote it. YOU want to use a subfaction in your argument, YOU go find out if you can or not. Since you obviously are too lazy to actually do that, why should I waste my time to do it? If I want to argue about TNO's economy, I will research what you have or have not done. If you want to argue GC's, you go read through our threads. I'm not going to expect TNO to give me examples, don't expect me to provide you with examples or do research for you that you haven't done. You may have researched "economy", but do all threads which may concern the economy say the word "economy"? Not really. Why? Because my threads weren't directly about the economy because until recently nobody made big deals about the economy. But that doesn't change the fact that the information I wrote way back when (probably a couple years ago) is just as relevent today and that the economy of a subfaction isn't necessarily going to be in ruins.

Now, I'm ALL for a compromise (well if a solution HAS to be made, personally I feel it doesn't because nobody is forcing a decision on us or anything, so why concede something if there is no reason to? We could ignore this thread and nothing would change). Anyway, I'm not for your compromise getting rid of the hard work I've put into a subfaction simply because you did not research said subfaction before assuming its economy would be doing lousy when in fact its economy would be booming right now. Your compromise can not go against what has been written out ICly years before this debate started.

Either way, Corise is right that it would be a drain on the economy for the crewing and upkeep of that many large ships; hence why I said that it would be taken into account IC. Assuming we can all agree on something. Perhaps a staff ruling is in order?

Omnae: they were very damaged and you then rebuilt them and completely re-designed them in the process. And possibly built some from scratch. Plus you still have to maintain them, crew them, etc.

EDIT: Wes got to it before me. But he still agrees with my point. There we go, we have a GC and TNO agreement on one thing, lets end the thread while we're ahead.

Heres one for a start.


http://therebelfaction.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7001&highlight=Brandt

And Demos, for the record, it wasn't just one Company, it was at least 3.


I was hired to help organise the backbone of the GC economy.

Despite wars (yes, War is always bad for business--unless yor are a neutral party), they still very much have many fully functioning and profitable business interests.


In fact...

We really should get something else moving...

And Brandt is just refering to his stuff, not what I was alluding to.

Alright. Jan: Which subfaction are you talking about? The Cren Alliance? One of the Provinces? If that is the case, no matter what you've written on them, if they were involved in the BDE war they still fall under point 1. That is because, according to the posts made by both Corise and Demos in this thread, the GC attacked the BDE with full force, using resources from the subfactions mentioned. You say the war ended a month ago IC. In that case, none of the economies of said subfactions would have been able to rebound. That's basic common sense.

I'm not discounting work that you did. What I am saying is that while your subfaction's economy may be better than one of the others', that doesn't mean your economy hasn't felt the effects of a large-scale war. Now, that being the case, read through the rest of the proposal and see if it is acceptable. If it's not, let's talk in reasonable terms about the points presented and see if we can find a solution.

And, btw, if you wrote those threads a long time ago, they may not still be applicable as events in TRF progress. Were these threads before the BDE war? If so, then they probably don't apply. If not, then give me one thread - all I ask is one - that shows that your subfaction has miraculously recovered from the effects of the BDE war, and I'll edit.

Here's the deal kiddies:

While this thread is a wonderful theoretical exercise its pointless and in my opinion mainly just serves as a way to get people in arguments. Personally I couldn't give a crap what drayson, wes or jan or any of you think. If you want to have an argument please do it somewhere else. Having it be in the OOC forum serves no constructive purpose besides annoying other people.

None of us have to my knowledge a detailed knowledge of economics beyond the general principal of supply and demand and more tax is bad. Luckily for us the economy is a much more complex matter than this.

Quite frankly nobody gives a shit how the galactic economy works. While this might be interesting for some people no effort has gone in to explaining how the galactic economy functions. Why? Because nobody gives a rat's ass. So why are we arguing over this bullshit?

As near as I can tell it isn't a pressing matter that we decide the state of both the GC and the TNO economy. So why are we arguing? I have a few theories but I'm mostly keeping them to myself.

So why don't we just all agree to let drayson do his thing and write about how our economies shit, we'll do our thing write about how its getting better and everybody leave each other alone.

I doubt anybody will heed my advice because it seems that most of you just come here because you enjoy arguing. If so please for the rest of us go join a debating club or something, hell since you apparently care about a fictional economy, maybe care about your own and get politically active. Anything that doesn't involve me logging on and seeing like 100 posts of this ridiculous shit.

This is fiction! It's a game! If you want to debate the merits of slave labour or whatever the fuck you're talking about do it somewhere else and stop pretending like it should have any bearing on what we do in the battlegrounds.

I'd also like to point out that I can see a number of posts by people on both sides claiming to not have bothered to read their opponent's entire post. Which makes me wonder, how the hell do you manage to argue so much if neither of you know what you're arguing about? Of course my question might also have provided its own answer.

Thank you have a good night.