The four Claymores are up in space, six of the Longsword frigates are down at atmosphere level, and one is chasing the remaining dreadnought. The remaining frigates are in space with the Claymores. Many fighters are also with the six Dreadnoughts, assisting in the attack, but not too many to avoid crowding the air.

It doesn't have to deploy an army, just enough soldiers, backed up by explosive to carry out my real god damn agenda. So, the hole is there, enough solider, not all, will make it in with their equipment. Dreadnaught goes boom, I got what I want anyways. Its this thing called ulterior motives, I happen to have some so go ahead, blast the dreadnaught to pieces, it did enough damage to land some troops who cleared their way with explosives first. I've shut you out so just blow up the damn dreadnaught. My men got in and are doing what they need to, get over it.

Oh and btw, Its not fortified. The soldiers are at the entrances and blocked out. Read my posts! Your manuevering them removed them from the precious city. So I blew my way in and don't you dare tell me I didn't. If an AT-AT can blow up a damn power generator with a max power shot(The Empire Strikes Back), I can cave in hole deep enough to deploy just barely enough men to do what needs doing. This isn't a mountain for god's sake its a stupid flat piece of land I'm shooting at with turbolasers, weapons far more powerful than what an attack vehicle would usually carry. The hole exists, the troops are in. Period.

If you'd like to continue being a hostile, arguementative prick about it, that can change.

Well yes, I imagine it could so let me try to be a bit more civil. The fact of the matter is I believe a turbolaser is powerful enough to blast a hole into the city that can't possibly be extremely deep underground as the Kubaz do need to be near their food source. To say they keep hives so its deeper is rubbish, that is also a point of mine. Also the factual point the Kubaz army is in the tunnel leading to the entrance so that the city isn't fortified because there is no need for it to be as the army is currently away from it. In turn I should have at least enough time to get a number of men in after clearing out an entrance. I understand the ship is getting hammered, but even if they shield fails the guns still have to hammer through an armored hull. There won't be an instantantous explosion. Thus I have time to do what I have done.

That is my case I am trying to defend.

Well then, I guess we've reached an impasse - it's a fairly natural one to occur, considering the situation. We can't prove just how fast these guns would devastate this ship or dig up that land, or whatever, so I guess it comes down to a ruling scenario, i.e. a staff member deciding firmly what the results of this situation will be.

The current situation has been stated many times, the Union is trying to drill through the earth to reach the city from above and launch an assault that way, while Coalition warships are hammering it from above. The variables are the destructive output of the Coalition's warships, the ability of the Union to drill through the earth, and just which one would win out. Possible scenarios include that the Union ship is under simply too much fire and blows up/crashes before it can cut a hole; that the ship blows up but not before completion of the hole and/or partial deployment of forces; or that the Dreadnought succeeds in drilling the hole, landing, and somehow dropping soldiers down into the city (rappel lines? Jetpacks? I can't remember how they did it). Other ways are possible, if I've missed them.

So howsabout it, Estro? Does this require staff arbitration? We've both made our cases, and it appears the key issue is a hazy one that really can't be decisively proven since neither of us actually has a turbolaser to test against open ground, nor do we know the depth of the city (I mean, maybe a kilometer is seen as shallow? Maybe twenty meters? Who knows?). At this point, neither of us could prove the other wrong, so maybe it would be best for someone to just make a judgement call.

Oh, I also do not believe the tunnel to the city would be destroyed, as even up to recent years Kubindi has seen war, so surely the entrances to their city would be fortified against collapse? If a bomb or two out in the open were enough to seal them in, it would be likely the city would have fallen long ago.

Well, if they are able to contact the army that 'there's a dreadnaught trying to dig for sector 0158 of the Hive' they might be able to redeploy some counter to your push. And Dolash, just let him have his logic. Don't bash logic, bash logisitics!

If the logic is flawed, well when Estro's plan falls apart then I guess he's hurting from the resources he sunk in this for not. BUT if Estro's plan works then I guess you learn to just let into them next time ;)

Oh, but I am curious as to how a drednaught gets on the ground? Considering how large the damn thing is, I'd think it'd more crash if being bashed than landing (just curious is all, I heard it mentioned before but never answered)

That last thing is just a moot point, Dolash, lets just get a staff decision on the main point and end this arguement holding up the post.

According to Technical Commentaries link provided by Omnae, a single turbolaser bolt from a star destroyer would be enough to leave a significant crater about a meter deep. Now, Base Delta Zero has the whole planet cratered a meter deep, enough to destroy all life. But what Estro is doing here is focusing the firepower of his dreadnought, not on the entire planet, but a limited area. Each turbolaser strike would dig out one meter of ground. With a dreadnought being armed with 10 Turbolaser Batteries = 40 barrels, 20 Double Turbolaser Cannons = 40 barrels, and 10 Turbolaser Cannons = 10 barrels, thats 90 barrels tunneling a total of 270 meters of ground out in a single volley. And the tunnel created would be about, say, 10 meters by 10 meters roughly in diameter.

I thought he was simply getting access to tunnels aready in existence, not creating his own tunnel straight into the city. Blanketing the area with firepower should unearth several tunnels at odd points in my opinion.

Yeah, I'm sorry Dolash, I don't really see you having much of a defense here. Nothing he's doing is infeasible.

Estro: I never had a problem with your conclusions, only your presentations. "This is what I'm doing and you can better learn to like it" has never been an attitude that has gone far at TRF. I know you can be a smart guy with a calm and level head, so relax, have a latte, and try not to let things get you so worked up.

Now where is that asshole Gue at?