Profits of War...

Your telling mw you built an underground fortress stronger than a capital ship to research a phage that you only got your hands on hours ago over another planet? I dont have to remind you all those worlds got phaged at the same time...

Underground fortress stronger than a capital ship?

Goodness gracious, no. Most of that was hyperbole. It's a defended facility, yes, and it has a bunker, but it's hardly Fort Knox. Also, for the record, it's not your thread - though you may bring issues up in it, I'm not telling you, I'm telling Omega. Plus, no way it's only been hours since the phaging, and consider that some phage exploded over Kubindi. Not the best sample, perhaps, but it must have been fairly thick in the initial burst. Easily enough to accomodate them.

Im saying its been hours, and yes, it is my place to comment on EVERY thread that has to do with this war

*choke cough laugh*

I cant wait to see what Tir says about your last post, I thought it was a hoot myself.

I admit, my writing did emphasize the style rather than the logic, although that was there too. I wanted it to be cool, you know? At least, I wanted to try to make a dramatic entry. He's got something like a dozen kilometers of ship to try and stop me with, so I figured I could at least get this far in one post without it being 'teh godmodzors'. Now, at the same time, I'm open to fair-minded criticism and constructive suggestions - which means if the post needs pairing down a little, or the details must be discussed, I'm ready to do so, maybe first on AIM then here in the OOC thread.

I would like to say, though, that this is my plan, and I think it's well-though-out enough to work so far - even the technical details, which are generally my weakness. Stealth Intruders use a series of cameras and screen to recreate images all around and make themselves invisible, so they could surely be used to hide the actual activity on one side by showing a static image? An SSD's hangar bay must be large enough to accomodate a lot, heck, in a New Hope a regular Star Destroyer holds a ship some 100m long. There are risks, I understand, but that's sort of the whole idea and the coolness of this - it's a risky plan. There's no one part that couldn't happen, so far as I can see, and after all it's only the beginning of the true battle. There's plenty of time for more surprises, reversals of fortune, and the like.

While we're on the topic of discussing any issues we have with threads, however, I fear I must speak again about Omega's actions at Kubindi - and I know! Instantly, I fear controversy will fall from the sky. I'm sorry to bring up such an issue, especially after how much editing has gone on in the last two posts, but this new edit is, to be honest, a whole new issue.

I can accept that, given time, you could use Turbolasers to burrow through compacted (and probably reinforced) earth and rock. The ammount of time it would take, though, to achieve this with a dreadnought would surely be much longer?

I know, I know, it's odd to see me be a stickler for technical details, but in one post, under fire, you blast a hole through the crust of the planet itself the right size and shape to land your ship over?

Sadly, this came from the initial argument we had over this new post, whereby I said that you were acting with too much strength for a force that is more or less trapped and outmatched in pure offensive capabilities. This is not your fault, I want to point out. How could you have known in advance that the Azguards would be posted to defend the East? The logical thing would be to guess that when the army is away, the nation is less well-defended, but I didn't send the Coalition's whole army.

I would say, however, that you did not react well tactically to this situation - and yes, I know that it's odd to hear me dispensing tactical advice (See: Entire battle of Corellia). I mean, the force facing you was much larger than expected, so you tried to smash straight through it. You lost your air-cover, so started to try and land troops, but without air-cover we could attack from above. Which is the situation now.

My point is, that right now, I do not think your forces could force their way very far into the caves, nor that you could fly out in the open (without a shield, I might add) and drill a hole through the earth without the Coalition's frigates attacking you from the sky. Excuse the pun, but you seem caught between "A rock and a hard place", and it doesn't seem at all logical that you can blow up the rock.

To be honest, my mistaken last post that was originaly written with a route of your two dreadnoughts was indeed a mistake, but I have yet to figure out what you could do in this situation to change the course of events to something else. I'm open to what you want to do as a writer, but I won't bend on something like this just so you can get some kills on the civilian population to salvage your mission. I'm sorry, but I'm going to be firm on this one.

*EDIT* Oh, and P.S. If your concerns about the SSD thing was when Yolem reached out and tore something out of the computer, I just really wanted him to tear something out of something - heart from chest, memory from computer, whatever. I'm not saying he just crippled the whole ship's systems, just maybe influenced a small region of them temporarily.

You might be suprised at the destructive capability of a single turbolaser blast Dolash. Remember, in tEsB, a single turbolaser bolt was enough to destroy a single solid rock asteriod.

Well yeah, break it up, as it floats freely in space. But could it drill throug the earth? Wouldn't it just kick up a lot of dirt and rock? How long would it take? And all this while under fire? How deep down is the city? (I imagine at least fairly deep, considering they fled down there to avoid what ammounts to a holocaust above them)

Still waiting on these issues.

In fact, also waiting on Heir in all our threads.

<a href=http://www.therebelfaction.com/forums/showthread.php?p=116380#post116380>Adumar</a>

Bringing this to Heir or one of his minions attention as well.

If a turbolaser is capable of being used to glass a planet, then it can surely be used to blast a whole deep enough to get to the Kubaz who wouldn't be all too deep, afterall, they need access to the bugs which would be closer to the surface to scrounge for extra food.

I stand by my post.

I'm pretty sure they keep the bugs in hives, which they keep with them. I don't contest that you could blow a hole in the earth, I just think that you couldn't do it with a dreadnought in a single turn while under heavy fire - not to mention then landing the dreadnought on the hole and beginning an attack on the city.

Let me clarify something - the Azguards left a battlegroup defending Kubindi. A battlegroup is made up of 4 battlecruisers and 12 frigates, plus support and fighters. Now, assuming that they send, say, six frigates to avoid too much overcrowding, that means your two unshielded dreadnoughts are under direct, close-range bombardment, and if your turbolasers could drill through many meters of earth, rock, and any reinforcement placed by the Kubindi, imagine how much of your ship my turbolasers could drill through in the same time?

If you had air-cover, or more ships to split my fire, or I had less ships, or you gave it another turn to drill all the way through, that'd make more sense. I know I've done things in a hurry before, and certainly the risky-er maneauvers are cooler, and I hate shooting down a gamble on basis of technicality, since half the time that's my favourite way to get things done, because it's those dangerous gambles that make stories exciting.

However, this isn't a gamble, or a grand push of effort - you want to attack my city, kill my civilians, and generally cause me problems to slow me down without providing a compelling reason, or a cunning plan, or a super-risky dramatic plan, you just say your drill through the ground and start shooting. As trying to do that would get you killed, and you provide no character-motivated heroic (or perhaps in this case, villanic) effort or gamble that would make this any more plausible.

In the end, my argument comes back to the point that you're under overwhelming fire here. For your ship to tear up enough land to get to the city would take longer than it would take us to tear up your unshielded, not maneauvering dreadnought. I'm open to characterful actions overcoming the odds, or some cunning plan, but you've offered neither.