If you were actively writing your way through the battle, that might be something. But every post you've made has been accompanied with "then my super duper special technology saves the day!"

Again, that is not what TRF is about. We are not about who can design the "better" ship. We are about writing, to have fun. If you can win, hey, that's great. If not, you've lost nothing - some imaginary ships, maybe an imaginary planet. But you've gained experiance, too, and in the greater scheme of things, that's far more valuable.

But it's impossible when every step of the way you are resisting, desperate to save your precious fake ships or fake planet.

I did not deny your ship has backup shields. I did not deny that it is a canon reference. I said that a) they will not, logically, be as powerful as your main shields, and b) that in destroying shield projectors, I had reduced their efficiency. Sure, you can have backup generators... doesn't help you a lot if the projectors are gone, though.

Nor did I say that the projectors were entirely gone. I simply said that the ship was not magically back at full shielding force within a couple of seconds.

Concerns have been raised before now, and this has been pointed out to you before now, about your R&Ds and how you play them. Yet it does not seem to sink in, and I have to wonder why.

As for your comments about name calling and whatnot... yeah, these couple of posts have been very, very negative. Frankly, it's because I'm sick and tired of your constant, groundless attacks that are dragging this thread along. Here's a very simple thought: instead of arguing the technacalities of a manouver between two imaginary starships using imaginary technology, you just write.

If you "win" this battle, it should be by virtue of your writing (and, by extension, strategy). Not by virtue of your OOC attacks and PhD in superastroquantumphysics.

So far we've seen far to much of the latter, and not nearly enough of the former.

Jan: yes, the second PSD is more than capable of manouvering itself to reengage the EMPIRE. This will, for however, take time: the ship has to manouver past or around the Pegasus in order to engage the EMPIRE.

With regards to the Redemption: the issue at hand is that the jump was programmed before the EMPIRE moved, meaning it has to either reprogram its jump (again, taking time) or now move itself (again, taking time).

TRF is not about who has friends in Astrophysics helping them design better fake weapons. It is about writing.

No, Corise. You have denied any damage against your ships, and when any damage is issued, you have some kind of magical technology to make it all okay.

You fought tooth and nail against even minor damage to your Gunships. You claimed your armour was virtually invincible, you claimed that energy weapons could not penetrate it, you claimed (absurdly) that your ship did not have weapons at the nose!

In short, you came up with every conceivable reason as to why your Gunships were magically undamaged. And finally, when you realized that you were wrong, you relented.

And you accepted that the ships were lightly damaged - so ligthtly damaged, in fact, that you expect them to have those same weapons back online before the end of the battle.

And then you went and claimed crippling damage to two of my ships. And in doing so, you've argued nearly every ounce of damage returned against you. Because, you claim, your starfighters are infalliable. Even though you describe them as being as manouverable as a Lambda shuttle, somehow they manage to fly in a long line at a big ship, fire their weapons, and fly away, all the while avoiding any reprisal.

Given that they had to engage virtually the entire Imperial line to do so, I would not doubt that they were all destroyed. But, you'll note, I was fine with your claim that "more than half" were still flying.

So, in short, you've managed to somehow cripple two ships of substantial power and incur virtually no losses upon yourself. Not by virtue of any kind of superior storytelling, but simply by claiming "then my technology wins!"

This is not an opinion - this is fact. You have come back to your precious technology every time something comes close to damaging one of your ships, in the belief that it means you win automatically.

Beause, again, TRF is not about who has friends in Astrophysics helping them design better fake weapons. It is about writing.

And all of your claims have been based on your technology, not on your writing. Take away that technology, and you would, quite frankly, have nothing.

I know this because I've been around TRF long enough to see all sorts of fleet combatants. There are those that write for the story, and there are those that write to win. And who will do anything to win.

I used to be one of the latter. And to some degree, I will freely admit, I still am, to a significant degree. But (and you will have to take my word on this), winning is not my primary motive.

Writing an interesting story is.

But you are making that impossible, because every step of the way you demand a mathmatical proof that my supposed moves are possible. You've fought the relative power of turbolasers versus made up materials, the relative mass of two made up warships, and everything between.

And seriously, who gives a flying fuck? Do you sleep better a night when you can think about how you trounced that guy in a battle by pointing out that, actually, the drag coefficient of his ship was too high and it would simply burn up in the atmosphere?

I simply pointed out that they're not as 100% effective as your primary shields. All the more so because projectors have been hit and damaged in the battle. This would go along nicely with the common sense rule - but you only like that particular notion in moderation. That is, when it helps you, but not when it helps "the other side".

Your R&D document says that the backup shields are as powerful as the main shields.

Fine. I never said that wasn't the case.

And all the while, I have to wonder, why? Do you REALLY enjoy this OOC thread more than writing itself? Because you've spent a lot more time here than anywhere else, and for the most part, it's been over pretty insignificant points.

I say again, this is not what TRF is about. In the days when fleets were built, this happened because our fake ships had some tangent in reality - it took "time" to build them.

Now, the more you write the bigger your fleet or whatever you like. We changed the rules so that we wouldn't have this kind of ridiculous bickering. And yet, for some reason unfathomable to me, we do.

Because your imaginary ships, apparently, mean far too much to you. Instead of wasting both our time on debating the impossible physics of Star Wars, why not make it an interesting competitive engagement?

You've already seen that I frankly don't care if I lose some imaginary ships in combat. You, judging by your actions, care very, very deeply.

And, again, that is not in the spirit of the game. Seriously, put the fake technology aside for a minute and play the game. It's great you've spent a lot of time designing and developing these ships. But when it comes right down to it, TRF is about writing. Not about who spends more time on CUSWE looking for obscure references to work into their R&Ds.

In Om's words, R&Ds are window dressings. You're making them your only focus.