"Don't F-with us and we will continuously and repeatedly F-with you and anyone else who threatens our economic and sociopolitical domination of civilization, western or otherwise. Oh, and just in case you were thinking of F'ing-with us, we have a laser guided bomb aimed at your military scratch school complex."
Did he actually say this? I mean really, give me a link to somewhere he says ANYTHING along the line of "we won't protect isreal and let those who want to destroy it destroy it". Otherwise kindly stop spewing your shit. We get it. You don't like Obama. Does that really mean you have to make up shit everytime there is a conversation about Obama? And simply not listing Isreal in the top 5 allies (or whatever the list was), doesn't count.
Also: Unless we want to invade Syria and Iran, which are legitimate countries, we'll have to use diplomacy. But if you really want to try and occupy the entire middle east, be my guest. I look forward to when someone gets the balls to attack the US and your army's on the other side of the world.
Oh, and Islam is in theory a peaceful religion, their founder and prophet spoke the same words as pretty much every religion around these days (Peace is good, love your fellow man, honour is the path of the righteous). The problem is, peace gets you no where, and somewhere along the line it gets twisted.
In theory: A jihad is a war of defense, fought only when the faith is threatened and pressed back and war is the only option.
In practice?: An excuse to use religion to march to war.
Basically it ended up being the same as Christians with Crusades. But then again, if Islam is a religion of War because of the Jihad, Christianity is because of Crusades.
EVERY religion has their radicals, even the Catholic and Christian religions, buddhist has them as well as many others. It's these radicals that ruin it for everyone, it's one reason why the ACLU (Anti-Christians Lawyers Union :P) hates Christians so much because they label them as being a radical religion bent on causing destruction here in the US.
Wes if you find something more solid to debate on obama about (for example the economy, which he happens to be crashing right now due to his anti-business stance) I'll support you, but they've got you on this whole Israel thing.
Oh my god! Don't let go of the wheel on a windy road like this - you'll drive right off the road in to a tree!
That said, Kach don't be a bloody moron. The idea that President Elect Obama has had any effect on the economy is an ignorant piece of misinformation perpetuated by the media touting talk show guests as the "foremost" or "best" economists in the country. Let me remind you - he is not yet the President of your United States and as such has no authority, nor reponsibility for what a bunch of attention-whoring columnists and prospectors think is going on in the country as a result. That's like saying that although you believe the reborn Jesus is coming, he hasn't come yet but he will and so we better start selling bibles for a million dollars a piece. It's reaction based on inaction - a deliberate and downright stupid result of ignoring the most simple laws of physics.
The ideas you are about to propose show that you are the bloody moron, not me. I'm not some damn high school brat anymore Beff, and taking me as such is a mistake.
Let me remind you that President Elect Barack Obama will be sitting in the White House in under two months. He is the most anti-business, anti-investment president this nation will ever have had in office. Right now what you're seeing on Wall Street is not caused by the mortgage Crisis--the whole bailout thing cleared that up. What you're seeing now, Beff, is investors pulling out of the market because the most anti-business president in history is coming, and he's going to have a congressional majority to back him up. They're going to raise the capital gains tax. They're going to increase business taxes. They're going to make it ridiculously easy to unionize. Businesses are going to get hurt next year. Taxes and costs are going to rise across the board, profits and revenue are going to shrink, and investors will lose money if they stay in the markets. The smart money is leaving.
I am not some whoring columnist. I am not somebody who blindly listens to talk radio. I am a fucking business student. That doesn't make me an economics expert, but the PHDs my economics professors have does make them economic experts, and they 100% agree with this assessment: The smart money is leaving the market because Obama will soon become president. Since the rich are leaving the markets en masse, we are having ourselves a crash. Just so you know, is not some shitheap backwater college. This is a top national university. These professors are serious economic heavyweights.
Barack Obama is crashing the markets Beff. He's not the president, but the mere fact that he will be in sixty days is a scary enough prospect that the rich are leaving the market while they can, because the laws he's going to pass and the policies he will enact will rip business a new one and ensure that we will not be seeing the level of economic prosperity we have in the last fifteen years for at least another four, if ever again.
You're right Kach. I have no idea what I'm talking about, clearly you do. I mean, if I were about to be President that's exactly what I'd do to, without the power to actually do anything - is set myself up for a fall.
The economic recession, and let's stop using the elusive "r-word" phrase instead of calling a spade a spade, is the result of a myriad, nay plethora of attributable variables. Ethics, for instance, or the lack there-of, as cited by Pope Bennedict some almost thirty years ago.
It's feeble to try and slump the blame for being globally unaccountable (this includes more nations then simply the US) on the shoulders of one man who, aside from running a winning Presidental campaign, has not actually done anything.
But you go right ahead and swallow whatever your PHD packing prof's tell you.
Oh, and the "rich" you're talking about, has more to do with what's going on 'at home' then Barak Obama. I honestly hope TRF is still around in two to three years and that you're still a member then so that I can quote this piece of wisdom back to you - see how yummy those words taste then.
Perhaps it's called "turning the other cheek"...oh wait. No, it's "do onto others as you would ..."... no wait, I forgot.
There are those who say so-called Christianity is a religion of peace. They are also wrong.
I never really understood the experience arguement. The idea that Governor Palin has more experience than Obama because her decisions affect a greater number of people. The counter arguement to that is that Bush, as Governor of Texas, affected an even greater number of people with his decisions than Palin but that 'experience' doesn't seem to have benefited the country in any meaningful way during his terms. Who cares how many people are affected by your decisions if they are stupid decisions? Experience only becomes an asset if you learn from it. Otherwise, it's just wasted time.
Rather than harp on some intangible, unquantifiable term like "experience", why not ask instead, "In their position as community organizer, Senator, Governor or whatnot, has this person made good decisions? Have they shown themselves to have a head on their shoulders or are they morons?"
So you and your Ph.D. professors feel that there is no more mortgage crisis? You realize that just because they voted to give 700 billion out, they have not actually given 700 billion out already, yes? But, if they have already cleared up the mortgage crisis with the few billion that has been given out, then perhaps we can use the rest of that 700 billion for something else eh?
I am sorry but the super rich investors are not scared of the president of the US. Investors have already pulled their companies out of the US because it's cheaper to make their products in third-world countries with less restrictions thus bumping their bottom line and thus their overblown incomes.
Investors don't give a shit about a president's rhetoric. They've already raped the public and now the public's growing inability to purchase their items made for pennies on the dollar and the weakening US dollar is showing them that investing in the good ol US greenback is just a stupid business decision.
Investors don't give a crap about people or their companies inasmuch as it affects their chief love: increasing their profit.
So of course the smart money is leaving. You can always count on the rich to take care of themselves while the world burns around them. That's what Golden Parachutes are for, didn't ya know?
They can't increase their profits where unemployment is rising. And the US auto industry is going down the toilet is no help. Wall Street is shaky in part (imo) because the automaker CEO's could not convince the government to bail them out like it did with Fanny and Freddie. Apparently the government's stance is that Americans need houses but can buy Hondas. So, when the Automaker's either declare bankruptcy or fold or sell off unprofitable branches and watch those fold, there's going to be alot of people out of jobs and with nobody buying, you better believe the investors are going to go somewhere else.
But do not think it's because of the perceived threat of corporate taxation by a person who is not yet President.
If anything, these "investors" who are leaving are probably Indian, Chinese and Russian business-people and they are going home because they do not want to be around so many homeless and jobless people in the US.
