Then you haven't done enough reading on the subject. Otherwise you would know that the Coalition paid for some of Kashan's shipyards for the Coalition upgrade project. As for resources, that's already been shown as well; check out the planet's database. It doesn't have all of the planets listed, but nearly every one does something that provides resources: Genarius with Adranium and gases, Uffel with droids, Audacia with foodstuffs, Budpock with mines and refineries, etc.
Once again, read. The Pegasus-class has been in the design process for years now, but until Kashan joined the Coalition, Kashan didn't have the resources to start their production.
I'm not going to say it again, but it's true in this case again. If you had read the threads, you would have realized that the Pegasus-class SDs are crewed by experienced sailors transferred from the Seraphs.
That number was never agreed to by anyone save yourself, Demosthenes. I refuse to give an actual number of Pegasus's in existence, because I would be the only one stating how many ships of a certain type exist at one time. TRF does not keep track of the exact number of ships anymore. I will assure you that there will be no more than 13, as based on Telan's formula, which was agreed to by both sides in the Pegasus-class R&D thread.
My other points apply on a grander theoretical level. And because, as you all well know, I'm a stubborn bastard.
If you agree not to be an Ass, Drayson, I will do the same.
You seem to be getting the point.
Time which Corise has paid attention to in his writing. This is the are of debate and, should it continue; the very issue you should be discussing... Has enough material elapsed IC to explain the production of X? My contention is that, yes... it has.
And this is the point, Drayson. You are debating for a disadvataged state because, as evidenced above, you have not read all of the pertinant material. That material is the core of this argument and, as I am about to note again, none of which has been cited!
If you took the time to read the IC work done by Corise and the rest of the Coalition you would discover that no, this is not the case. It has all been detailed In Character.
Because you're still missing the point. The problem is entirely internal and fully situational. And because you are still making points against Corise having said number of imaginary starships but you have yet to provide concrete In Character citations which would indicate that Corise has violated Rule #1.
And the posted references can be supplied upon request. But as indicated earlier, Corise, I feel that as certain parties levied this complaint against you the burden of evidence is upon those parties and I would not suggest providing defensive In Character type references as above until such time as those parties take up the debate on the same merits I've been touting time and time again in this thread.
No body is asking this; and if they were I'm sure that the parties requesting such would first provide their own manifests... despite the fact that this flies in the face of abolishing meter counts and such.
Now? Forever? Yesterday? Don't pin yourself down with comments like this because, as evidenced in this thread and others, there are those members that will hold you, literally, at your word until such time as the cows come home wearing tall hats.
No argument here. Then this thread can cease. Until such time as the aforementioned parties provide the requested evidence.
As far as the RP goes, you have mentioned at least five Pegasus SDs. I said I am willing to go on with that number in mind. And as far as I'm concerned, with regards to a fleet engagement, you will put a definate number on them. You listed a manifest for the ambush, why not for the defence fleet?
A question, though: if these ships are as rare as you claim (since you say you field less than 10), why is 50% or more of your Pegasus compliment at one world?
I've accepted that Kashan has the capability to build these ships, even if I diagree with the very short time it has taken them to do so. I trust that you will adhere to the common sense rule and play with them accordingly. So far, imo, you do not seem to be doing so. You appear to be throwing them around.
Stop it Drayson. Your points have been made. Let's not turn this into a mud slinging match.
Which isn't enforced any more, is it Drayson? You certianly have the right to request that and given that Corise is generally a very good natured soul, I imagine he might have supplied them... But now, after this, I would not suggest he pay to the parties in question any kindness they are not willing to extend in return.
I am about to get very annoyed with you, Drasyon. The answer to this question has nothing to do with the issue, more over the answer to this question can be located In Character. What am I supposed to make of this?
How gregarious of you, Drayson. On one hand you pledge acceptance then within the same paragraph, turn around and counter your own statement of acceptance. If you feel that, in your opinion, Corise is flaunting Rule #1... excuse the language; Fucking proove it. I'm not going to ask again. Stop making generalized insults, they are not constructive and serve no positive purpose.
Let's just do that, shall we? Oh wait, you're talking about the In Character one... Hmmm...
Beff: this thread has nothing to do with you. I've entertained your opinions because they were relevent to the discussion. Your last post, however, is not.
As far as I'm concerned, for the purposes of a battle, both sides will show what they have. Because in a battle, both sides can SEE what the enemy has anyway, so it makes no logical sense not to post some kind of fleet makeup (be that an outright manifest, or whatever).
Now, I feel we've both managed to conduct this debate in a relatively civilized manner. So I suggest that instead of getting worked up over something that does not concern you, you simply drop it.
Corise is by no means breaking any rules, nor have I accused him of it. I accepted long ago that he has five Pegasus SDs - what I asked is a question directed to him and specifically him, as leader of a group. My statement, likewise, was a general one, and not an implication that he has broken any rules.
Being a big boy, he can respond as he sees fit. However, you are a third party who has admitted to being biased, so I'm going to ask you to stop posting, and stop trying to fight Corise's battle for him.
You can ask. And thank you for considering my opinions and the opinions of others. If you would like me to remove myself from the discussion I shall; you need only ask. My points have been made with resounding clarity and my withdrawl from this discourse in no way disqualifies their validity. I will leave your points preceeding this one unmet as they have no impact on the issue as made known by Kach initially. And I will oblige.
I'm not inclined to, because that's defining the most of the Confederation fleet as a whole, which will in turn extend this argument to a ridiculous amount of time per each type of ship (ergo, I believe we will then have discussions similar to this one, about one ship, but now with every ship type within the Confederation itself) as well as go on about the entire building up of the fleet to begin with. Moreover, the actual numbers do not play a huge impact, as the fleets are not engaging in a direct engagement at the moment. If there is some odd situation or rule that demands it, I will. But I see little reason not too. And there are more than five Pegasus-class SDs throughout the Confederation. Discussion ends about the number there; that's final.
Because it is the major industrial center of the entire Confederation. The fact that most of the Fleet is based there has been stated within the Metalorn RP itself as well as in the Planet Database. I defer you to there.
It appears there has been some agreement on this issue - I've tried to stay out of it, since even though Omnae isn't around, this sort of debate is not my forte - so I hope that all parties can move forwards amicably.
These sorts of arguments happen all the time at TRF, though it's been a while since we've had one of this caliber (I think the last one was over the BDE/GC war before we came to an agreement). Nevertheless, it's still early days yet in this battle and further disputes might come up.
Assuming that this issue is indeed settled, I ask that you both try and keep it from darkening the tone of the story. Drayson, I know you've been out of it for a while, so I hope your skin is still as thick as I remember. Corise, you've had comparatively fewer TRF OOC arguments, so I hope this hasn't soured your desire to write any. This reply might come off as vague and unnecessary, but I want to put it out there that this story and battle has great potential and there's a lot of it left to write.
