The 418 Immobilizer was the standard Imperial Interdictor. The first and most prevalent. And it came with levers, standard.
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The 418 Immobilizer was the standard Imperial Interdictor. The first and most prevalent. And it came with levers, standard.
Ahhh.. come on, Ahnk.
"Big" is obviously relative. If there's some shit going down, the big guys are always blamed. Why should Wes be any different?
Anyway, I found it funny that you were calling THAT an OOC knowledge infraction but then later slapped him upside the head..err...reprimanded him for his use of droids in inserting a code into your numerical transmission blanket to get some limited usage out of it (WES, YOU SHOULD HAVE JUST INSERTED LETTERS, THEY WOULD HAVE STOOD OUT MORE THAN NUMBERS!) because...what were your words?
Our computer networks are comprised of millions of neural processing centers that span several galaxies; the ability to compute numerical sequences is unmatched.
So, you want him to use OOC knowledge after all?
Let me get this straight?
If he had a droid insert a virus into your computer networks which are comprised of millions of neural processing centers that span several galaxies (basically infecting the shit out of them since you allude to them all being connected), he'd be slapped for using OOC knowledge for IC use.
But then, when he rp'd something temporary and unique to him (the fact that his fighters use droids when TNO proper fighters do not) in responding to your transmissions of random numbers to limited effect, you again slap him for not knowing your computer networks are comprised of millions of neural processing centers that span several galaxies?
WTF?
How much processing power does it fucking take to send out random numbers?
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Then, you say that he can't run into your big shield ships because they are hiding in the back of the fleet (nevermind Wes is coming from behind which would put your hiding bitch in the very front), then you say his character cannot think that there is a reason your biggest (who we associate also with being the baddest) mutha is hiding like a little girl?
The Empire associates with big shit. "Ah damn, one of the Rebel's capital ships blew the fuck up! It can't be from that FUCKING DEATHSTAR because it's in the back of the Imperial fleet not doing shit. Yeah right."
So, who cares if he hits a shield ship flying through your fleet? The fact that it's effects are still felt after his ships come out of lightspeed and starts firing must mean then: "oh shit! There's another shield ship hiding somewhere like a little bitch!"
Heck, you probably have several in the system since, in describing the Cree Ar fleet I was going for a more spread out approaching, the Cree Ar thinking that the humans would not want to pay for jumping through their anomalies, wormholes, etc.. with the lives of their ships and fleet or that the cost would be too much.
Wes proved them wrong in paying that cost but he's not necessarily in a better position.
I do get a feeling that Wes still thinks he's behind your fleet and not in front of it because of saying that one ship "over-jumped it's mark" and ended up in the middle of your fleet. The problem with this placement is that if he was behind your fleet, he would no longer have any fighters to assault the planet with since they would all be killed traveling past the enemy fleet first and no man's land second before actually reaching the planet to do shit. To think that some might make it through I guess would be possible but there sure as hell would not be any left to make the trip back for rearming/refueling like Wes said.
Wes - The writing still puts your ships in No Man's Land (between planet and Cree Ar Fleet).
I actually liked Wes' post. He took his losses and to hide his humiliation, he took some of the enemy with him. It was to be expected.
I thought his mentioning of the uniqueness of his fighters having droids was interesting and if an astromech can perform tons of equations for hyperspace traveling, I am sure they can insert some form of rudimentary code within random numbers. While a gray area of how other fighter droids can figure out which numbers are code and which ones are random, I would imagine the answer would be in locating patterns. Maybe if the numbers were transmitted onto monitor and, oh, I don't know, the droids simply changed the color of their numbers to help in picking out the pattern?? I mean, shit. You're arguing this?
In any event, his main ships were still not talking and his fighters fought as loners and there was no real advantage of the code perhaps except better survivability of those fighters as opposed to TIES. But TIES get a bad rap anyway.
The only thing that disappointed me with Wes' post is that he pussied out in the end and did not make a decision about what to do about Cree Ar transmission.
"Big" is obviously relative. If there's some shit going down, the big guys are always blamed. Why should Wes be any different?
Anyway, I found it funny that you were calling THAT an OOC knowledge infraction but then later slapped him upside the head..err...reprimanded him for his use of droids in inserting a code into your numerical transmission blanket to get some limited usage out of it (WES, YOU SHOULD HAVE JUST INSERTED LETTERS, THEY WOULD HAVE STOOD OUT MORE THAN NUMBERS!) because...what were your words?
Our computer networks are comprised of millions of neural processing centers that span several galaxies; the ability to compute numerical sequences is unmatched.
So, you want him to use OOC knowledge after all?
Let me get this straight?
If he had a droid insert a virus into your computer networks which are comprised of millions of neural processing centers that span several galaxies (basically infecting the shit out of them since you allude to them all being connected), he'd be slapped for using OOC knowledge for IC use.
But then, when he rp'd something temporary and unique to him (the fact that his fighters use droids when TNO proper fighters do not) in responding to your transmissions of random numbers to limited effect, you again slap him for not knowing your computer networks are comprised of millions of neural processing centers that span several galaxies?
WTF?
How much processing power does it fucking take to send out random numbers?
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Then, you say that he can't run into your big shield ships because they are hiding in the back of the fleet (nevermind Wes is coming from behind which would put your hiding bitch in the very front), then you say his character cannot think that there is a reason your biggest (who we associate also with being the baddest) mutha is hiding like a little girl?
The Empire associates with big shit. "Ah damn, one of the Rebel's capital ships blew the fuck up! It can't be from that FUCKING DEATHSTAR because it's in the back of the Imperial fleet not doing shit. Yeah right."
So, who cares if he hits a shield ship flying through your fleet? The fact that it's effects are still felt after his ships come out of lightspeed and starts firing must mean then: "oh shit! There's another shield ship hiding somewhere like a little bitch!"
Heck, you probably have several in the system since, in describing the Cree Ar fleet I was going for a more spread out approaching, the Cree Ar thinking that the humans would not want to pay for jumping through their anomalies, wormholes, etc.. with the lives of their ships and fleet or that the cost would be too much.
Wes proved them wrong in paying that cost but he's not necessarily in a better position.
I do get a feeling that Wes still thinks he's behind your fleet and not in front of it because of saying that one ship "over-jumped it's mark" and ended up in the middle of your fleet. The problem with this placement is that if he was behind your fleet, he would no longer have any fighters to assault the planet with since they would all be killed traveling past the enemy fleet first and no man's land second before actually reaching the planet to do shit. To think that some might make it through I guess would be possible but there sure as hell would not be any left to make the trip back for rearming/refueling like Wes said.
Wes - The writing still puts your ships in No Man's Land (between planet and Cree Ar Fleet).
I actually liked Wes' post. He took his losses and to hide his humiliation, he took some of the enemy with him. It was to be expected.
I thought his mentioning of the uniqueness of his fighters having droids was interesting and if an astromech can perform tons of equations for hyperspace traveling, I am sure they can insert some form of rudimentary code within random numbers. While a gray area of how other fighter droids can figure out which numbers are code and which ones are random, I would imagine the answer would be in locating patterns. Maybe if the numbers were transmitted onto monitor and, oh, I don't know, the droids simply changed the color of their numbers to help in picking out the pattern?? I mean, shit. You're arguing this?
In any event, his main ships were still not talking and his fighters fought as loners and there was no real advantage of the code perhaps except better survivability of those fighters as opposed to TIES. But TIES get a bad rap anyway.
The only thing that disappointed me with Wes' post is that he pussied out in the end and did not make a decision about what to do about Cree Ar transmission.
Ugh.
I'm too tired to type a proper response, but ugh.
I'm too tired to type a proper response, but ugh.
And its only been a few hours.
In other news, the hardware that houses the Daemun consciousness seems to be erased after entering the event horizon of a transgalactic wormhole.
A local WorkerLin reported, "I swear, we didn't know..."
A local WorkerLin reported, "I swear, we didn't know..."
I drink my nourishment from the blackened tears of pitch that come rolling off of these ancient wars.
Good hunting to both proud warriors.
Good hunting to both proud warriors.
If only it were that easy to kill a God! Not even Levers hurt me anymore... silly Empire and its antiquated fulcrum technology.
If it were me though, I'd still be arguing an accidental ram via hyperspace though.
If it were me though, I'd still be arguing an accidental ram via hyperspace though.
Mark it down. This is a 1 in 1 million chance happening. No more such happenings for the rest of the thread. Or for the next four or five threads. At least.
First of all: Fuck.
I just want to get that out of the way since I’m going to try not to go overboard with the traditional Ahnk Smash Rage.
I’ve never said you were; my understanding of the eventual conclusion was that you came in roughly even with me in terms of orbit, although slightly closer to the planet, but in a much different polar relation than the Imperial fleet that is already there. That still would put a large amount of my ships between the shield ship and your intended position.
I’ve reread your post for reference and you did use the word “what if” and “I think”. I don’t have an issue with speculation or attempts to act on speculation, so yeah, we’re on the same page.
Standard Interdictor would be, as denoted, the Immobilizer, the first one to show up in the EU. It’s 600 meters. The Parrow Lin Battleship and Cruiser are both 1000+ meters, as is the Shield Ship, plus the Borleas and Mak-tal Bek cruisers aren’t that much smaller.
I have no issues with theories, but you seemed to jump from, again, “Hai guyz” to “Fuck em up, SS, fuck em up!” in less than a post. Too fast for my liking.
Okay. I’m going to say this once more: stop acting like I have just come out of nowhere and taken a shit on your head.
The Cree’Ar Dominion have been a faction of TRF since long before TRF became TheRebelFaction.com. Do we have as many members as TNO? No. Do we have as many planets as TNO? No. Have we been along as long as TNO? No, although Zeratul joined ERO about the same time that TNO joined TGC, so it’s debatable, but for arguments sake, no.
Now, I will fully admit that I have not spent as many words as you have taking planets. I have had other concerns, one of which was mediating the disk measuring contests between guys like Kach and Drayson and Joren and Vonta. At times I was too busy babysitting you fucks to get any writing done. Simon can vouch for the fact that at times, TRF is a full time job akin to slave labor in a burning coal taste testing plant.
But I have been around. I put a lot of work into my group when I’ve had the time. I’ve had a lot of real life shit drag me away, and with the debacles I got in (see: BEA not being finished), sometimes I didn’t have the motivation to write.
Also, apart from some solid work by two or three homies, I’ve more or less been writing the group alone the entire time.
The root of all my frustrations seems to be the fact that you guys have been presented with a completely unique group in a galaxy altering roleplay and have been doing everything you can to act like we’re just another bunch of guys with ships and nothing is going to change. I’ve been around; the reason it took me a year odd to reply to Cataclysm is not because I wasn’t here but because every post you (and I don’t mean you specifically, I meant you guys, as in everyone) made misrepresented my group to the point where it was easier to just say “ugh, fuck it” then to try and correct you.
Hence, this thread.
As an example of why the “we built this galaxy on rock and roll!” argument pisses me off, I present the roleplay where I introduced the backstory behind the Thylor Opiette pylon, that would eventually be transformed into the Cree’Ar cybernetic nexus. I posted this roleplay well before the concept of roleplaying out R&Ds was drafted. In fact, I posted it on March 15th, 2004. For reference, Wes Vos, the TRF account, was registered June 18th, 2006.
…what is this, 2005? We’re not arguing about fleet threads and assets, this is fucking Cataclysm! If there’s ever been a more important storyline thread on TRF, I don’t know of one.
I’m not arguing because I want absolute victory, I just want a good story where my technological uniqueness and faction in general is respected, and we get to blow shit up. Downplaying how awesome I am is frustrating.
The process is not possible. You’re getting thousands of streams of code sent to you from every vessel in my fleet. Astromechs, with the duties already assigned to them, just wouldn’t have the computing power in processing, memory, or basically anything to define patterns of the numbers, let alone separate your patterns from mine.
No! You don’t get to come on Ahnk until you buy me dinner, damnit.
There are measures in place to prevent such an occurrence, but it would definitely do a lot of bad shit to me. I’d let it slide if it was written well, planned well, and didn’t seem like something he pulled out of his ass.
I’m not slapping him for not knowing something. I’m slapping him for exceeding the bounds of reality.
THAT’S NOT THE ISSUE.
Sending them out is not at question, being able to interpret them is. Here’s what I said earlier in the thread:
The amount of information your computers are being sent is already overwhelming. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be being jammed, you’d just be being sent numbers. The sheer volume of information you’re being sent, on a continuous basis, makes interrupting that flow with transmissions of your own impossible.
I’ve roleplayed this before at Kiyar. Dolash took no issue with it.
…he’s not coming from my behind. Can we please never even use the word behind again?
There’s a difference between think and know. One is reasonable, the other is over the line. His post says he thinks it. I can accept that.
I care, because it’s not possible. As Heir said,
Granted, I’m not an insufferable prick like he is, but I AM quite the bastard in my own right, so I’m not about to just say “oh, well. Sure, it’s impossible, but let’s pretend it’s not because you guys want me to”. Impossible is impossible.
…you can’t simply excuse impossible actions by saying “Oh, but don’t worry, we won’t do it again”. That is absurd and insulting.
As a rule, unless I have a Tetrasphere, I have two shield ships. One is on while the other cools down. At an engagement like this, with the size of my fleet, there’s probably about 4 or 5, purely because you’d need to have at least 2 on to cover the area my fleet would spread to.
…then why the hell did you say he’s coming from my behind. -_- Argh!
It doesn’t work like that. Transmissions are sent as binary code because that is the most condensed and efficient way to send any kind of signal. It is then decoded by a computer on the other end and translated back to whatever format it was. Numbers become letters or pictures or sounds. Anything can be expressed in binary code as long as the decoder translates it properly. Bandwidth is still a concern in the Star Wars galaxy as denoted by delays (most notable example being in ROTJ, when the Tyderium sends the code and it takes a few minutes to first get to the Executor and then to be decoded), so to send massive amounts of unencrypted data, such as a hologram or raw audio, would be infeasible, not to mention the idea of sending raw streams of audio energy between one spaceship and the other… not possible. So it’s code, or signals in hardlight which require line of sight. I can’t block those, but it does limit their ability to communicate because they need line of sight. But in terms of binary code, it would take a massive amount of processing power to, in real time, decode and separate the information Wes sent from the absolute deluge of information I have sent. Hence, his ability to communicate is jammed.
Simply adding a font change, such as a bold tag to his numbers, would have no effect because such a tag would still be numbers. There are just too much numbers for an astromech droid to interpret.
I did too! I never said I didn’t. I just have issues with some of the things he did. On the whole, the post was good.
I just want to get that out of the way since I’m going to try not to go overboard with the traditional Ahnk Smash Rage.
I’ve never said you were; my understanding of the eventual conclusion was that you came in roughly even with me in terms of orbit, although slightly closer to the planet, but in a much different polar relation than the Imperial fleet that is already there. That still would put a large amount of my ships between the shield ship and your intended position.
I’ve reread your post for reference and you did use the word “what if” and “I think”. I don’t have an issue with speculation or attempts to act on speculation, so yeah, we’re on the same page.
Standard Interdictor would be, as denoted, the Immobilizer, the first one to show up in the EU. It’s 600 meters. The Parrow Lin Battleship and Cruiser are both 1000+ meters, as is the Shield Ship, plus the Borleas and Mak-tal Bek cruisers aren’t that much smaller.
I have no issues with theories, but you seemed to jump from, again, “Hai guyz” to “Fuck em up, SS, fuck em up!” in less than a post. Too fast for my liking.
Okay. I’m going to say this once more: stop acting like I have just come out of nowhere and taken a shit on your head.
The Cree’Ar Dominion have been a faction of TRF since long before TRF became TheRebelFaction.com. Do we have as many members as TNO? No. Do we have as many planets as TNO? No. Have we been along as long as TNO? No, although Zeratul joined ERO about the same time that TNO joined TGC, so it’s debatable, but for arguments sake, no.
Now, I will fully admit that I have not spent as many words as you have taking planets. I have had other concerns, one of which was mediating the disk measuring contests between guys like Kach and Drayson and Joren and Vonta. At times I was too busy babysitting you fucks to get any writing done. Simon can vouch for the fact that at times, TRF is a full time job akin to slave labor in a burning coal taste testing plant.
But I have been around. I put a lot of work into my group when I’ve had the time. I’ve had a lot of real life shit drag me away, and with the debacles I got in (see: BEA not being finished), sometimes I didn’t have the motivation to write.
Also, apart from some solid work by two or three homies, I’ve more or less been writing the group alone the entire time.
The root of all my frustrations seems to be the fact that you guys have been presented with a completely unique group in a galaxy altering roleplay and have been doing everything you can to act like we’re just another bunch of guys with ships and nothing is going to change. I’ve been around; the reason it took me a year odd to reply to Cataclysm is not because I wasn’t here but because every post you (and I don’t mean you specifically, I meant you guys, as in everyone) made misrepresented my group to the point where it was easier to just say “ugh, fuck it” then to try and correct you.
Hence, this thread.
As an example of why the “we built this galaxy on rock and roll!” argument pisses me off, I present the roleplay where I introduced the backstory behind the Thylor Opiette pylon, that would eventually be transformed into the Cree’Ar cybernetic nexus. I posted this roleplay well before the concept of roleplaying out R&Ds was drafted. In fact, I posted it on March 15th, 2004. For reference, Wes Vos, the TRF account, was registered June 18th, 2006.
…what is this, 2005? We’re not arguing about fleet threads and assets, this is fucking Cataclysm! If there’s ever been a more important storyline thread on TRF, I don’t know of one.
I’m not arguing because I want absolute victory, I just want a good story where my technological uniqueness and faction in general is respected, and we get to blow shit up. Downplaying how awesome I am is frustrating.
The process is not possible. You’re getting thousands of streams of code sent to you from every vessel in my fleet. Astromechs, with the duties already assigned to them, just wouldn’t have the computing power in processing, memory, or basically anything to define patterns of the numbers, let alone separate your patterns from mine.
No! You don’t get to come on Ahnk until you buy me dinner, damnit.
There are measures in place to prevent such an occurrence, but it would definitely do a lot of bad shit to me. I’d let it slide if it was written well, planned well, and didn’t seem like something he pulled out of his ass.
I’m not slapping him for not knowing something. I’m slapping him for exceeding the bounds of reality.
THAT’S NOT THE ISSUE.
Sending them out is not at question, being able to interpret them is. Here’s what I said earlier in the thread:
The amount of information your computers are being sent is already overwhelming. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be being jammed, you’d just be being sent numbers. The sheer volume of information you’re being sent, on a continuous basis, makes interrupting that flow with transmissions of your own impossible.
I’ve roleplayed this before at Kiyar. Dolash took no issue with it.
…he’s not coming from my behind. Can we please never even use the word behind again?
There’s a difference between think and know. One is reasonable, the other is over the line. His post says he thinks it. I can accept that.
I care, because it’s not possible. As Heir said,
Granted, I’m not an insufferable prick like he is, but I AM quite the bastard in my own right, so I’m not about to just say “oh, well. Sure, it’s impossible, but let’s pretend it’s not because you guys want me to”. Impossible is impossible.
…you can’t simply excuse impossible actions by saying “Oh, but don’t worry, we won’t do it again”. That is absurd and insulting.
As a rule, unless I have a Tetrasphere, I have two shield ships. One is on while the other cools down. At an engagement like this, with the size of my fleet, there’s probably about 4 or 5, purely because you’d need to have at least 2 on to cover the area my fleet would spread to.
…then why the hell did you say he’s coming from my behind. -_- Argh!
It doesn’t work like that. Transmissions are sent as binary code because that is the most condensed and efficient way to send any kind of signal. It is then decoded by a computer on the other end and translated back to whatever format it was. Numbers become letters or pictures or sounds. Anything can be expressed in binary code as long as the decoder translates it properly. Bandwidth is still a concern in the Star Wars galaxy as denoted by delays (most notable example being in ROTJ, when the Tyderium sends the code and it takes a few minutes to first get to the Executor and then to be decoded), so to send massive amounts of unencrypted data, such as a hologram or raw audio, would be infeasible, not to mention the idea of sending raw streams of audio energy between one spaceship and the other… not possible. So it’s code, or signals in hardlight which require line of sight. I can’t block those, but it does limit their ability to communicate because they need line of sight. But in terms of binary code, it would take a massive amount of processing power to, in real time, decode and separate the information Wes sent from the absolute deluge of information I have sent. Hence, his ability to communicate is jammed.
Simply adding a font change, such as a bold tag to his numbers, would have no effect because such a tag would still be numbers. There are just too much numbers for an astromech droid to interpret.
I did too! I never said I didn’t. I just have issues with some of the things he did. On the whole, the post was good.