No. I won't let this happen. I will not be held responsible for the fall of the Empire, or the departure of our greatest member. AS such, having become a pariah, I announce my immediate resignation to the Empire.

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Everyone calm down. This is freaking ridiculous.

Chasing off members through OOC crap? I mean really. We all need to talk this out and think about it.

First things first:

Om, we love you. People say things but it's not against you, it's just gripes about IC crap. Don't take offense to it OOC, and don't think OOC solutions will solve IC problems. Will it change Imperial philosophy? Will it weaken their planetary holdings or their fleets?

Secondly:

Telan, don't do it. It won't solve the problem. Yeah, people are niffed but all you tried to do was write a story. Yes, there were some inconsistencies but have you seen my stories!?! :P

It's just some minor annoyances. This is nothing compared to what happens during those major fleet arguments. We just need to discuss this out rationally and let people realize this isn't an attempt to kick GC some more and just a misunderstanding.

Finally:

Come on guys. Would a lightside victory mean jackshit if we win because all of TNOs members leave? I want to beat the darkside through my own sweat and effort. And I'm sure we could write some awesome stories on the way. In the end, that's what it comes down to.

And Telan, if you still want to leave TNO, there's positions one Sinsang that could use filling. ;)

I agree with what everything that Irtar said...but I'd rather have Telan join the Confederation. ;)

One of the last things I would want to do would be to drive off Telan from RPing with TNO or TRF. I regret even pointing those inconsistencies out. What I was trying to point out is the fact we're all human beings: we're going to make minor mistakes and inconsistencies. No-one is perfect.

It happens to everyone.

Forgive and forget.

What I was hoping was that that relevation would make everyone think about they go about RPing with others. It would seem that I have failed in that respect.

I've always tried to make my stories consistent - initially, I would have taken it is as a simple reminder and moved on, after correcting it, continuing the stories. However, this thread has become more than that. It has allowed feelings of the whole to boil to the surface in a simple way - that the Empire has been the dominant force here for sometime and many of us here resent that. It is truly unfortunate, but we have done through simple dedication and drive and dare I say the quality of our writings.

It is not the inconsistency that bothers but the knowledge that all of this animosity is my fault. I am so sorry.

I never meant to do so - as with real life, I have faltered out of desire to see things through. I have become so zealous in the execution of my duties that I trip over myself. I express my sorrow for this faux pas to the entireity of TRF.

Why do I want to resign? For a long time I have espoused the glory and honour in sacrifice for others. I have had few opportunities to prove that there is mettle behind my oversized oral cavity. Now I am proving it. Perhaps, as the TRF pariah, if I give my blood as the blood that is called for, then I can save the Empire, I can forestall the wave of resignations from other officers that will follow. I will not be hend responsible for the demise of the Empire.


That said, I welcome any and all suggestions as to how we can improve things.

Or maybe your resignation would just be opening the dam?

To show that OOC bullying can accomplish IC goals?

I don't know about you, but I don't want to take the risk of people getting into that mindset for it is complete and utter bullshit.

I rarely comment on the IC happenings of TRF, in arguments and situations such as this. But I feel compelled, as someone who was here before TRF was TRF, and as someone who has lost interest, and rekindled interest to comment.

First off, Telan. I don't think anyone's pointing the finger at you. I don't think there's anyone here at TRF who would see your retirement from TNO as justice. Perhaps you made a mistake, we all do. Yes, even me. But RPing is a two-way street. We give and we take. It's the nature of the beast when there are others involved. Invariably there will be miscues, miscommunications, and mistakes. But given the fact that this is a community, we come to a mutual agreement and we move on.

Your idea of quitting for the greater good is a noble one Telan, but ultimately it would not serve the greater good.

Secondly, Omnae. What you've done for TNO is more than I could ever have done. You persevered. And that's more than I could say for myself. I look upon the history of TRF with a certain fondness, thinking of the days when Hyfe and I joined TGC together and were coerced into helping Exceron and Poreon start TNO. We laid the groundwork, but if it weren't for you, there would be nothing for me to reminisce on.

You embody TNO, and TRF for that matter. So it's only natural that when people have ill feelings towards TNO you're going to take it personally. Such should not be the case. In a way, I find myself looking upon TNO in a certain negative light. Why? Because I'd like to see a little more diversity at TRF, that's all. It's not a knock against you whatsoever. I think many people feel the same way. In fact, I'm certain they do.

I guess the only true problem people see is the sheer size and scope of TNO. When people ponder the prospect of going against TNO they get weak in the knees. Nobody (besides Dolash) wants to be the one to cross TNO. But I think it's imperative that somebody does. I think somebody needs to step up and be the "chosen one" if you will, who will bring "balance" to TRF. Remember, at the end of the day what are we all here for? I know I'm here to try and write entertaining stories which I can take pride in amongst friends. I'm not here to "win". If I wanted to win I'd play Donkey Kong.

That being said, I think the idea of starting a faction that would be the undoing of the Empire (again), would be intriguing. It's a story I want to be a part of. BTW if you'd like to join such a faction please send me a PM, :). I'm working on something :P.

But in all seriousness, when people express their frustration at TNO, they're not directing that at you Om. They're just expressing an overall frustration that no matter what they do, they can't beat TNO. It's like a High School team playing against an NFL team, the chances of survival are nil.

If TRF lost any players due to these "arguments", I'd be pretty upset. We're all adults... err.. some of us are adults at least. But we're all here for the same reason more or less. I love you Om, don't take any criticism directed as TNO as digs at you personally because I can asure you they're not.

You both, Telan and Omnae are critical elements to TRF's success. Even though sometimes we might not all see eye-to-eye. It's the truth.

BTW!!! I just wanted to say, don't forget what this thread was started for.

Smarts, you really have done a wonderful job here at TRF. I see good things in your future here at TRF ;).

Omnae. Telan.

If you leave TRF, either of you, for whatever reason...

1. You'll be putting another nail in the coffin.
2. You'll be sacrificing the considerable levels of respect we, as a community, have for you.
3. You'll be taking the easy way out as per the likes of Joren and others.

Why?

Because, speaking for myself, I don't want either of you to leave over something stupid like this when the answer, the simple solution, is painfully evident as it has been for years and years and years.

Telan touched on it.

Telan

It has allowed feelings of the whole to boil to the surface in a simple way - that the Empire has been the dominant force here for sometime and many of us here resent that. It is truly unfortunate, but we have done through simple dedication and drive and dare I say the quality of our writings.

I believe it stems from a feeling of impotence on behalf of the rest of TNO, much as Zell said, that no matter how hard we try, no matter the extent of our efforts (excluding me from the we) TNO remains as insoluble as ever, a monolithic fixture of TRF that refuses change from without - I point to Dolash's years of work on Visionary Series as just one of many examples. It evokes in others a defeatist attitude, which would be fine were this 7 years ago - but it's not.

This issue is just the latest in a series of ongoing arguments that seem to curdle to the surface once every six months or so, at least. And the problem, as I see it, is we never reach any real resolutions... just a loss of resolve. And you're right; If you start a roleplay involving TNO, and your motives aren't to help TNO, expect to get strongarmed, bullied, god moded, or otherwise totally assfucked into submission until you:

a) lose.

b) get fed up with it and give up.

And I know that this is an extreme example, but it is exactly what TNO has cultured in non-TNO members and anyone who might have cause to go against them. The worst part is that it detracts from the evolving, dynamic tapestry that is TRF. Which would be fine, as I sad, were this 7 years ago. But it's not.

Sometimes, I wish it were.

I spoke out of turn. I was angry, and my anger got the best of me.

I'm sorry if you felt that my anger was directed toward you in particular, Omnae. I guess, at the time perhaps it was slightly. My tone and my manipulation of your words was rude and insulting. But Beff is right. Its not really just a few lightside hecklers that are to blame for the seemingly inseparable connection between Omnae and TNO.

As one if its longest standing members, most powerful member, and perhaps the most influential person on this board, I'm sorry to say that there will be times where we think of you and TNO as one in the same. Specifically for this reason. When you are involved in an OOC conflict, and the lightside of the galaxy views TNO's actions as unfair and hurtful to lightside members of the galaxy, more often than not you have the power to change that. With your words alone, you could alter the outcome of this argument to a more mutually beneficial agreement. And many times you have done this, in the past. This time, it was the opinion of myself and several others that you did not.

That said, there is no excuse for the tone I took with you, or the mockery I made of your words. You are one of the most respected people on this board, not just to TRF as a whole but to me. I wish I could take back what I said in a fit of anger, but I can't. I wish the more constructive method of bringing up my issues that I wrote out in this post could replace it, but it can't. All I can do is offer it to you now, and my apology as well.