Though he may have known the territory was forefit, he didn't know the people were being granted free passage until Telan said they'd have it when he showed up. We knew Onyx had been annexed, but the offer for free passage has only just come up and thus only now can Smarts act upon it.

I mean, would the people even want to flee without a guarantee of safe passage? Especially since until Telan showed up five days later, they wouldn't know if they had it or not?

Smarts covered this. The first people he approached were the Onyxians, but they didn't think they could flee because of the annexation. Now that they have a guarantee, however, they would be more willing to flee and thus the cooperative can stop doing what they're doing and help people escape.

*EDIT* just to clarify, you can set the number of days to whatever you like. We're at your mercy. You can genuinely, for propaganda purposes, claim the Coalition was granted free passage for those five days and we squandered it. In reality, though, it's true that the Coalition and the Cooperative didn't know wether they could evacuate or not until Telan said so.

I hope to the Gods I am not truly the cause of all this. If I am, I am truly sorry. I edited for continuity's sake. I wanted to smooth things over, not create ripples

Don't worry, Telan, no one's angry or pointing blame fingers. It's just a bit of a mix up - as it stands, it looks like the Cooperative was shuttling weapons and equipment out during time when we could have been evacuating people. Smarts originally believed the five days between the declaration and your arrival didn't allow for free passage, so he was doing other stuff to fill the time. Had it been clear before the two weeks were starting from the moment the deal was made, he'd have started evacuations immediately.

Continuity is a bitch.

That's why I time travel. *walks off with the Infinite Dragonflight*

I guess I don't understand how your people would know one thing but not the other, Dolash. How they would know Onyx CW was given up but not know about the 2 weeks. Both decisions were arrived at during the same IC meeting with Hyfe.

From: On Bended Knee: Bowing at the Feet of Tyrants

Simon Kaine

The Emperor's expression softened slightly. "But I am not without mercy. I love my people as much as you love yours. Therefore, any Coalition warship that stands down when our occupation forces arrive will go unmolested. Any person within the Onyxian Occupation Zone who wishes to be a Coalition citizen is free to leave for Coalition space. You said it, Simon, as Emperor Hyfe, to Dolash, as Regrad. "When our occupation forces arrive." Your "occupation forces" arrived five days after the Onyxian Commonwealth was declared rogue. Starting at that point, Coalition warships and citizens were free to leave peacefully.

And to clarify, you never actually told Regrad how long we would have in your face-to-face meeting on Courascaunt. The first mention I can find of it is here:

"Well, the two week timetable for the Coalition wishing to leave the Occupation Zone gives us time to draw up occupation planning and pacification measures. Desaria should have ships at each world in the next few days to oversee their evacuation. We should probably appoint Desaria as temporary Operational Commandant of the Zone until we have time to formalize things."

That post in "On Bended Knee" was made several hours before Telan's post in "Empire at War."



Finally, and (I think) most importantly, is this:

While you intended the two week period to begin immediately, there doesn't seem to be any concrete writing that explicitly states it did. We obviously have very different interpretations of how all of this fits together, but since there are specific lines that allow for my timeline, and since my existing writing in "Coalition of the Damned" is dependent upon my timeline, I don't think I should be penalized IC for any misunderstanding or miscommunication.

I deferr to Simon, my Supreme Commander.


However, I can say - that regardless of the proclomation, people are going to defy it becuase that is the nature of things. They would think for the first few days with no Imperials in sight and the government dissolved, that anarchy could reign and they could do as they pleased. The arrival of the Imperial Seventh and Thirteenth Fleet could be a nasty suprise and the dashing of the hopes, as well as the solidifcation of the order.

There is some confusion as to whether the issuance of the order is the same as the enforcement of the order. As an RL police officer I can tell you it is not. Just because the Emperor commands something does not mean it will be done. The Fleet arrived to make that word law - it is the muscle behind the mouth if you will. Thy will be done...

Dolash:

Though he may have known the territory was forefit, he didn't know the people were being granted free passage until Telan said they'd have it when he showed up.

"Therefore, any Coalition warship that stands down when our occupation forces arrive will go unmolested. Any person within the Onyxian Occupation Zone who wishes to be a Coalition citizen is free to leave for Coalition space."

They knew people were granted free passage. They just did not know how long, I'll grant, since there is no IC mention of the time period granted until Telan signals Onyx with the 2 weeks. You got me there, Smarts.

I can edit to say we are in the first week of evac but I will not say you are on Day 1 as I don't agree with that.

Just know, you are thinking this is a loophole you can use to gain an extra 5 days to do what? Get a start on getting people out of CW? No. . you are stealing and destroying Imperial Property since Telan did say his pronouncement was 5 days after annexation. Therefore the Cooperative is engaged in war activities destroying Imperial property.

You think our leniency will extend to a meddling separate Coalition subfaction?

You think you are going to hide behind a 2 week grace given to CW people? If you really want to get technical, the two week grace was granted to the CW people only and nothing was mentioned about other Coalition outside subfactions entering the OZ. Not the Cooperative agents engaged in war activities within an Imperial holding.

So, there will be an accounting. That's what my post was all about, not where we are in the evacuation time.

So prepare for the reckoning whereever you put the timeline in your rp.

"Therefore, any Coalition warship that stands down when our occupation forces arrive will go unmolested"

What you don't realize is that there were already forces in the CW at the time the Emperor made this statement. Telan Desaria's forces that were attacking and on a romp throughout. However, they were also not on every CW planet. So there were other planets his lightning attacks had yet to arrive at in TNO's attack on Onyx CW. If the ships of these worlds stood down, they would go unmolested. If they continued to attack despite any granting of leniency, they would be utterly destroyed. The Empire had soldiers on the ground on Onyx the moment Regrad said yes or no. However, I will also admit the Empire did not have immediate control of the world as it does take time.


In any event, this still does not really interfere with your interpretation. I laugh that you think it's Day 1 but go ahead. If we want to surprise you and cut it short, .. "oh well."

No plan survives intact the initial engagement with the enemy.

von Moltke. My hero. After you, Om, of course.

If you really want to get technical, the two week grace was granted to the CW people only and nothing was mentioned about other Coalition outside subfactions entering the OZ. Not the Cooperative agents engaged in war activities within an Imperial holding.

Were these subfactions specifically excluded?