Seeing as I already know all the R&D's in question I well not bother with asking.
I shall state that I well be using mutiple accounts to RP different perspectives and different IC charecters.
All will be posted within a short span of time so do not worry about my wasting time with different accounts. I intend to try and stay as closely within the rules as is possible with this tactic.
I do have the approval of a staff member to rp this way as well. So long as I make it known to my adversary ahead of time.
I would ask that we put the 72 hour rule on hold.
I am going to have some, issues, coming up soon that shall interfere with my ability to post thus the reason that I asked that you leave my group alone IC when I made a trade offer not so long ago.
Rest assured that I shall do my best to stay within 72 hours for each reply post. Such as the first one that I have yet to make.
I would not have recieved permission other wise to do so. And the statment is neccessary seeing as some people analyze every thing that a person states in these forums and uses it against them.
Agreed with the same consideration in your direction.
Now I have another issue to bring to your attention that I would like to rectify before we enter combat.
It has to do with your Ghoul.
In rule 7 of the fleeting rules (1) it states that you may not modify existing technology without an approved R&D.
In rule three of the R&D rules(2) it states that you must R&D every new technology.
Well I have determined based on the rules that you have modified a technology to make three new technologies that have not been individually approved yet (4).
In the R&D the Ghoul you have three modified versions of your PIM missle(3).
Each of these three new missiles(4) qualify as a modified tech under rule 7 of the fleeting rules.
The Ghoul was passed as an R&D.
The three individual newly modified technologies were not because they are not listed as new technologies under the approved R&D list. Nor are they found in any individual R&D thread.
The only way that these can be legal is that a new rule has been instated that you can modify existing individual technologies that would be separate from a ships integrated tech yet seemingly unique to a given ship that they are R&Ded in.
These three technologies (4):
1-Electromagnetic Pulse Pod 2-Parasite Pod 3-Boarding Pod
Are separate from the ship tech in question because they can be used as separate R&Ds in other ships.
I would also point out that a tech of this nature has already been passed and modified as two different techs (5). Different because one is a modification of the other.
The Ghost tech uses one form of a Ghosting system(5a).
Yet the super ship the Dread. Uses a modified version of this ghost system (5a).
The Ghost stealth system in the Ghost-
“The drawback to this device is that it consumes vast amounts of energy and emits high levels of radiation. For these reasons, the array was left up front away from engineering.”
The Ghost stealth system in the Dread missing the emboldened passage that is in the version of the stealth system in the tech The Ghost-(5b)
“The drawback to this device is that it consumes vast amounts of energy.”(5a)
Thus proving that they are modifications of one system type originally designed in the tech the GHOST as a type of secondary R&D that did not have it's own R&D slot.
It may be an issue that these techs within techs cannot be used in this thread becuase they have not been properally R&Ded.
Issue source info:
1- Fleeting rules
Fleeting rule 7-
“There is to be no "modifying" of vessels in any way, shape, or form, without an approved R&D design.”
2- R&D rules
R&D rule 3-
“Every new technology (weapon, sensor, computer, alloy...etc) will demand its very own R&D submission. Each submission will be judged on its own merits as it relates to the Star Wars Universe. R&D projects which deviate from the norm by drastic levels will have an extra amount of R&D time imposed upon them. R&D moderators will be entitled to their opinions as they relate to submissions, though personal or OOC bias will not be allowed. Note that this does not apply to simple upgrades to existing techs.”
3-PIM system
PIM only R&Ded as an IONIC weapon.
Needs other R&D’s for anything else. Following requires three more R&D’s to use IC legally.
4- Modified Versions of the PIM aboard the ship The Ghoul
First thing, the ship modification rule refers to Canon vessels they are being altered in some way, and is ment to not allow people to go about building vessels without first sating thier modifications and haveing them approved. From this, the PIM missle modifications are not true modifications as they are simply part of an approved R&D.
PIM Missles are a non-canon R&D, thus their modification, like so many other minor modifications made to existing systems in other R&D's without individual R&D's associated with them.
The Ghosting system on the Dread has nothing to do with this thread and please do take it to the player observation thread in the R&D forum as I currently have no Dread in my standing fleet or any in the thread in question.
Therfore your arguments against the Ghouls modified PIM's are unfounded as the ship and missles were approved in the same thread as a singular submission. And your Ghost sensor stealth system is improperly posted as the vessel it was originally put on was approved pre-Kanbal, and the newly implemented vessels are after, as well as the Dread, again, has nothing to do with this thread.
There is no mention in fleeting rule 7 (1) giving a destinction between techs R&Ded at TRF and those that were found in canon. Both are defined as techs and as such require the same justification under the R&D Rules. Unless this is implemented into the rules it is not correct.
By modifying your tech you are creating new weapons in R&D rule three (2) it demands that every new weapon have it's own R&D slot. Your new weapons have no R&D slot of their own.
The Ghosting System modification is neccessary as another example of the kind of issue that I am addressing as such it is relevant to the issue at hand. So sorry but I have need to include it in order to make my case.
There you just admitted to breaking R&D rule three (2).
"Every new technology (weapon, sensor, computer, alloy...etc) will demand its very own R&D submission."
Your three missiles are defined as weapons technologies.
And under R&D rule three, as underlied above, every weapons R&D must have it's own R&D slot.
You cannot have Approved the missles in the R&D, the GHOUL, becuase it goes against set R&D rules.
Seeing as you have now stated that you disagree with me and seem to not want to address this between the two of us I well call for a staff member to review this issue to rule on the validity of said issue.
Fine, you do that, but as to not hold up the thread, I submitt that the ghouls standard compliment of 3 different missle types be narrowed down to just normal PIM Den missles for the porpouses of this thread, if thats alright to you.
The Staff can review my Ghoul's other missles after they are done reviewing my other R&D's, but right now we will play the Ghoul as carrying 12 PIM Den missles and not 3 different sets of 4 missles.
