Yeah, we're the only country with an identity or any other freedom.
Every other country is dark and evil and rancid. They're all bastions of oppression and vile dictators.
America is the beacon of light in a dark world.
Because that's what my text books and educated American opinion says.
But the fact is, neither myself or you, my Demi-french friend, have ever been to the rest of the world to compare. We have no grasp whatsoever as to what the rest of the world is like beyond what others tell us.
It's our job to interpret it as best we can.
Tell me, were you raised in American schools and taught American studies? Do you know exactly our inner workings?
I'm thinking Bias. And I vote Bush. Unlike you non-Americans, or the democrats on the board, we Republicans see the value of what our president has done. He got us through 9-11. The democrats would point out that our economy plummeted. Remember the great depression? Remeber the cause of it? Poor leadership before hand. Same case here. THe US was under poor leadership when Clinton was in charge and what he did set us up for a downfall after 9-11. Thank your Mr. Clinton for ruining our country. Secondly, he rid the world of two regimes the world is better off without. Saddam is gone thanks to us, and Iraq will be made a better place for it. Don't let the media fool you, the soldiers know it best. The people in iraq are greatful to us. And the Taliban is gone. The Democrats now point out that Bin Laden is still at large. Give us time. One person in a sea of 6 billion is not that easy to find. That is all I have to say.
Nice job on the French comment, and good work following it up with some accusatory @#%$ about a "general bias". Captain Hypocracy, away! Your country might not exist if it weren't for French support duing Washington's campaign.
And it's only YOU that's never been outside of your isolated hole in the ground. I have family in several different countries, and I've lived in Ireland for extended periods of time. Thanks for not putting words in my mouth though, I appreciate it.
It's the funniest @#%$ thing, but I could've sworn I never said @#%$ about your school systems, though you can rest assured they are inferior. Did you know that my father is American? Just checking.
Yes, I base it on a general bias. Certainly not from the fact that I live in a society saturated by your media, or from my hundreds of visits to your country, or from my father having been raised there, or from my numerous family members who currently live there. I've just pretty much been making @#%$ up. After all, information about America is hard to come by up here in Canada, as is electricity and animals other than polar bears.
Do you think you live in @#%$ Antarctica? You live in a fishbowl. You live in a fishbowl, and the whole world is peering inside with morbid fascination.
Thank God we had Bush around to @#%$ up the English language and hold childrens' books upside down or I don't think we'd have pulled through. Boy I'll tell you I slept better knowing that a guy who can't tell which way the pictures are supposed to go and who god C's and D's his whole life had his finger on the little red button that blows up the world.
It's a good thing Bush didn't turn worldwide support against America with unilateralism that permanently crippled the validity of the United Nations and borderline imperialist sentiments. Because that would have @#%$ SUCKED.
Bush had been in power for a year before 9/11.
Clinton had a Republican agenda. He did everything the Republicans would have done, up to and including getting on Christian radio and talking about how much Jesus hates abortion. The reason the Republicans still hate him is twofold:
a) He liked black people.
b) He beat them.
But you said it, it's time to reverse what Clinton was doing. Same-sex marriage, gays in the military, abortion, you name it. Let's get to it, Kamon! HOOT HOOT! GO TEAM!
Yes, I believe that the soldiers in Iraq will be PARTICULARLY able to feel that gratitude with every bomb set off in their midst.
There will NEVER be peace in Iraq with an American occupation force. Don't let your own super macho American sentiment fool you. I'd be grateful if you removed an oppressive dictator from my country, too. But I'd also be grateful if you gave me my power and water back and didn't leave an occupation force to fill the resulting power vaccuum.
And in the place of the Taliban a whole new legion of warlords! YES! WE HAVE FIXED AFGAHNISTAN.
But I like to look on the bright side; at least you didn't follow standard procedure and install a CIA backed dictator.
Thank you it's nice to be acknowledged once in a while.
It's argueable. Does what French did three hundred years ago mean that I am going to kiss their ass today regardless of their actions? No.
Should I begrudge them for things they did 200-300 years ago? I should hope not otherwise we'd still be kind of beefed about that whole Quasi-French War.
The feeling is mutual.
I have been to my share of places. But just because I've been to Ireland or I've been to Canada doesn't mean I know its inner workings, nor does it mean I have some kind of enlightenment that all must bow down to. Have you ever been to Iraq?
Ever lived under a dictator?
Ever had to pick between feeding yourself and feeding your child?
Bet you haven't. So then why are you more qualified to say whether or not Taliban and Iraqi leaders had to go than say....Bush? Or even myself?
The fact is, again, we don't know the intricate inner workings, but we have a few basic principles to work on:
-Open Imperialism in the modern age won't be tolerated -Genocide won't be tolerated -Breaking of treaties won't be tolerated -GRABBING CHILDREN FROM INCUBATORS AND SLAMMING THEM AGAINST THE FLOOR WON'T BE TOLERATED -Breaking agreements won't be tolerated -Terrorism won't be tolerated
If you have a problem with any of those basic precepts let me know.
No I took that from:
That's in reference to what our schools and commercials tell us about American freedom. Now let me show you where you're wrong about how you presume we're taught about "the uniqueness of American freedom".
We aren't taught that the U.S. is the only country with freedom. We're taught that the U.S. has had to carve itself out and fight for its own freedoms. We're taught that we cannot take this freedom for granted because there ARE people out there who are jealous about it, who don't have it and the likes.
There ARE countries who aren't free. There ARE countries that are vile and abominable (the Iraqi regime was an example, there were rape chambers there) and we are taught that the precepts of freedom need to be held and cherished, because freedom is easily lost.
Never were we taught that nowhere else in the world is there freedom. To assume so is ignorance at its heighest.
And yet almost none of your arguements are based on actual complaints but in fact over-exaggerated premises that make very little sense. You take things out of context, exaggerate the bad and deflate the good.
If one were to listen to you America would be the bastion of evil on earth and the people all enormously fat men sitting on piles of money while telling starving Ethiopion children that they can't have any.
Hate to break it to you, but you're mistaken in that.
A lot of it is truth that is exaggerated. Canada isn't exactly a sovereignty of perfect truth and justice either.
That's eerily poetic, I'll sit here and get a tissue at the beauty of that statement and how it certainly touches me deep down inside to know that my country is watched with both envy and awe by other nations.
I believe the term you are looking for is president, not dictator. And unlike you college @#%$ that think you know everything, us younger kids have a different perspective. As to your comment about racism, one of my best friends happens to be black. Don't push your racist @#%$ onto us. At least our president is not involved in an affair: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." Bull @#%$. We all know you did. Admit it. The only reason he wasn't impeached was because the senate was democratic. And since when have warlords been in charge in Afghanistan after the war? Can you say never? The soldiers do feel the gratitude. Thanks for agreeing with me. Until Saddam says good buy and get's the needle or is shot, his "loyal followers", in other words those @#%$ that are under his influence, are going to keep attacking. Talk to any solider coming back. I guarantee he says the general consensus was one of gratitude. And the president in office during the depression was in for like six months before the depression hit and any history scholar will tell you the depression was not his fault.
On the note of "the Iraqi people don't feel the gratitude"...that's a pretty...ignorant thing to say.
Of course American soldiers are dying. Guerilla Saddam-sympathizing forces still exist in the shadow of the Fedaeen. The people aren't constantly up and killing American soldiers, they are Saddam-sympathizers, trying to force the U.S. out.
That was also surprisingly ignorant of you Mr. Gevel to assume that "up and leaving the country" is the appropriate course of action.
What exaclty do you suppose would happen in Iraq in that case? That people would work together in cohesion and rebuild the country step by step with funds they don't have that were plundered from them and their bank accounts before the war?
Do you believe that it will all be rainbows and bunnies? And you call America overly optimistic?
Okay, look man, I try to stay calm, but I'm just going to say it.
What the @#%$ are you talking about? We are not talking about Iraq but the multitude of free nations outside of America and the repeated trumpeting of the United States as some sort of bastion of freedom.
Uh, no.
Look, Ralen, I respect that you're trying to make your point through emotional language. But you really need to work on your debating skills; please try to stay on task. If you're going to lurch from one subject to another and somehow extrapolate some sort of wild hatred for an entire nation from a few simple statements about a president I dislike, I'm really not going to bother rebutting you.
How about 90% of the country except in portions of Kabul and maybe two other citys. Most of the @#%$ country is controlled by warlords.
Here's what should happen Ralen. We should just let Iraq become a @#%$ protectorate of the U.S. I'm sure after a few months all that suicide bombers will stop.
And I have a plastic ass.
Here's the idea:
You set up elections and you get your asses out of the country. Maybe a 2 year deal. Instead Mr. Bush is keen on the idea of staying there for the next 10 years while his soldiers slowly get killed off along with enormous amounts of Iraqi civilians. Isn't Bush a @#%$ hero now?
