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gg no re ST

if your counting on a single object victory ST could just say Q

So no go on any of that

Well, Star Wars would win because of Force Users. In all of Star Wars, it is constantly shown that when things are going bad, words like "Destiny" and "Chosen" and that get thrown around, and some sort of mighty Force-user appears with the power to overcome whatever is in their way.

Although many say KOTOR shouldn't count since its' a game series, it's still a good example of how the Star Wars universe works. It doesn't work like a regular universe, the addition of the force gives it a sort of living narrative. In Star Trek, Good and Evil don't exist in scientifically measurable amounts, wheras in the Star Wars series, the Force is practically that, forming bonds between people, setting fate, all these other quasi-religious things.

So in effect, Star Wars wins because it actually has the power of narrative to back it up.

Star Wars wins by default. We have hyperspace, which is many multiple times faster than Warp Drive. Our laser weapons would crush Star Trek shields simply by overpowering them. A Star Destroyer is designed to go into battle, and last for what quite possibly could be many days, doing head-to-head. How many times have we seen a Star Trek episode where the Enterprise is almost shield less within minutes of entering battle? There is also no guarantee's that Star Trek's shields, transporters, etc, would be able to circumvent Star Wars shields, or even that Star Trek's shielding systems would block Star Wars' turbolasers. Entirly different premises of technology.

There is also a size factor. The Empire had, at its peak, tens of thousands of Star Destroyers of various classes. These range from 900 meters to 1200 meters long, on average. I believe the Enterprise may be 400 meters long, and it is stated as being the 'flagship of the federation' on more than one occasion. How long could the Federation withstand the might of just the Empire, if their flagship is the size of one of our gunboats?

I personally get quite disgusted when people bring, in arguments like these, factors such as the Force, Q, the Borg, the Vong, etc. These are obscurities of each galaxy, and are highly unlikley to even come into play.

The Borg are also likely to succumb to the Empire very quickly. They use unshielded craft, that rely upon adoption for defense. How fast are you going to adapt when you are suddenly being pummeled with hundreds of turbolaser rounds per minute? A ISD MK II vs a Borg Cube would result in Borg Slag in just a short while. The Star Destroyer is designed to level all of its main weaponry at a single target, and fire it continuously. It is also designed to slag an entire world in hours. The amount of power fired from such a craft is mind boggling, as anyone who has perused the TF.net tech commentaries will attest to.


I find there to be no contest, what so ever. With Hyperspace, un-blockable hit-and-run attacks will be mounted. It is my opinion that a single STar Destroyer & compliment could, under the command of a competent commander, completely decapitate and decimate much of the Star Trek universe.

There is also no contest when it comes to sheer power. Without bringing up the Death Star, the Empire has a simply mind-boggling amount of firepower at its fingertips.

Sheer size also comes into play, as mentioned by someone before. 80% of an explored galaxy, vs 5%.


I might also note that when it comes to ground combat, Star Wars would win. Has anyone ever seen some real, effective ground combat in Star Trek? Do they have any weapons beyond hand phasers, pulse phasers, and the occasional rocket launcher?


Also, chedk out this site, it's quite interesting and goes into more detail about the points I brought up. http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/

Check this for details on weapons superiority in Star Wars: http://stardestroyer.net/TPMRevelations/#Weapons

Commenting again on sheer power, I ripped this off of another forum.

Here are some interesting numbers from the startrek and starwars technical manuals:

Federation photon torpedoes produce an explosion of about 64 megatons, which is a pretty big blast by today’s standards. An Acclamator class star destroyer, on the other hand, has 12 heavy guns that each deliver 200 gigatons/shot. This means that one shot from a Star Destroyer’s heavy guns would be equivalent of getting hit by over 3000 photon torpedoes. And since Star Destroyers were built to survive heavy combat against ships with equivalent weapons, it isn’t clear that Federation starships would even have much chance of damaging a Star Destroyer.

I can't see a turbolaser blast being 200 gigatons. I could see that being the Death Star superlaser, but not on a run of the mill turreted weapon.

Actually, the minimum energy of the deathstar super-laser (assuming Alderan was roughly the same size and mass as earth) would be somewhere around 3.7*10^33 joules, or about forty-two thousand billion gigatons. If a regular turbo-laser turret were 200 gigatons it would only be about 0.00000000048% as powerful as the super-laser.

So what that is saying is that a single shot from a heavy turbolaser would completely decimate the Enterprise. It wouldn’t have to pass through the shields even, simply the shock of that much focused power hitting the craft would break and disable most of the craft.

Not much of a contest when one shot from a standard enemy battle cruiser nukes your flagship.

This site made me laugh:

(Death Star Vs The Enterprise)

http://www.grudge-match.com/History/ds-enterprise.shtml

The Borg are also likely to succumb to the Empire very quickly. They use unshielded craft, that rely upon adoption for defense. How fast are you going to adapt when you are suddenly being pummeled with hundreds of turbolaser rounds per minute? A ISD MK II vs a Borg Cube would result in Borg Slag in just a short while. The Star Destroyer is designed to level all of its main weaponry at a single target, and fire it continuously. It is also designed to slag an entire world in hours. The amount of power fired from such a craft is mind boggling, as anyone who has perused the TF.net tech commentaries will attest to.

Unshielded craft = Wrong

How do you think they adapt? They use shields, if the shields fail against a certain weapon, they adapt the shields so they do not fail again. Again, a Borg cube, indeed many borg cubes might fall before adapting, but from then on all other borg Cubes would be defended. As well, Borg Cubes are still battle ready even when 75% of the cube has been destroyed, due in most to its decentralized nature.

As well, the Borg Trans-warp conduit network is just as fast as Hyperspace, if not faster. They could cross half the galaxy in a week with its use. So speed with the borg is less a factor.

The Empire has 25 000 Imperator Star Destroyers at its peak. 'Nuff said.

Demosthenes X

The Empire has 25 000 Imperator Star Destroyers at its peak. 'Nuff said.

Across 60% of the galaxy, meaning they may have the largest force out of all the galaxies (except Species 8472 which had the power of an entire universe on its side) but its not as if that force were concentrated at any given point.

*points to link posted above*