Defending Charlton Heston as being old and foolish doesn't change the fact that he is callous and irresponsible, promoting a product that every year kills people in the millions. People can sue tabacco companies for advertising smoking but for some reason the NRA gets government funding. It's because of stupid people like you, Kas.
I would say the same to you. Since you are unable to, apparently, I shall recap for you. Your last relevant post was on page 2. My reply to that was as such:
This argument started about whether or not Moore lied in BFC, not about the tangents we got on for a few posts. I don't have time to respond with thousand word posts multiple times a day, so I cut to the issue. This is the issue, did Moore lie in BFC? Everything else is irrelevant, until that is answered.
You have spent the last two pages posting witty one-liners about how I'm ignoring the point, little guides on how a Republican debates, etc, while you yourself ignore my plainly asked question, and my two requests for you to present a point of your own.
Ball's in your field, and I wish you would do something with it.
Well, put simply, he didn't lie. The parts taken "Out of context", like the from my cold dead hands thing, is just a catchphrase. Its' what he says. It is totally irrelevant wether he said it there or not, the point is we see him say it and everyone goes "Oh yeah, Charlton Heston, the gun guy."
Also, did he cut out parts of the speech? So? You can't show the whole Goddamn speech, you know. He showed us the relevant parts, the parts that he wanted to make clear happened.
The only time I would consider someone taking editing too far is if they asked a question and then cut out chunks of the speech and took them out of context as if they were answering the questions. Showing clips of related speeches or parts from different speeches is just fine, not lying. And even if they were from different speeches, so long as everything he says is taken in context, then its' fine for people to do that.
Ex: If I held a meeting and said that I was sad that thing A happened to someone, then had another meeting some other time and said that the person who had thing A happen to them deserved it and got off too easy, and someone showed the two clips simultaneous, it is not lying.
Unfortunatly that thread was derailed, and you were never questioned as to why you came out of that movie and thought of Heston as a bastard. Why did you think that? I'm willing to bet it's this little clip here.
The viewer sees Heston. The viewer thinks 'That guy', because yes, everyone knows that image. The viewer sees Columbine, and hears Moore say " Just ten days after the Columbine killings, despite the pleas of a community in mourning, Charleton Heston came to Denver and held a large pro-gun rally for the National Rifle Association." User thinks "Man waving gun, gun ralley. Dead kids ten days earlier. Cold hearted bastard.
When the viewer later hears Heston say "... as American's we're free to travel wherever we want in our broad land. Don't come here? We're already here" they think "cold hearted bastard", but they don't hear what he really said.
You came out of the movie thinking of Heston as a cold hearted SOB because Moore edited out parts of Heston's speech that would have made Heston appear human.
You came out thinking that because Moore lied to you.
Yes, Kas. Everything Moore said in BFC is one big lie. No one dies in America because of guns, Columbine never happened, and we need to all get on with our lives.
Give me a break.
You know what Kas? No matter how you try to spin it, Heston said those things. In response to a plea by a community in mourning asking him not to come, he said "We're already here."
THERE IS NO WAY AROUND THIS.
He deliberatly set up the speech to attack the Mayor. Notice how he says "I have message here from the Mayor of Denver, Mr. Wellington Web",,, and holds for boos?
You're holding a pro-gun rally in Littleton, Colorado, ten days after a mass-shooting, and you invite people to attack the mayor who's asked (in the spirit of the people of Denver) for you to not come.
He does not say something like "The Mayor asked us not to come here - he asked us not to come here because our community is in mourning."
He said "The Mayor said 'don't come here.'"
No ammount of moron idiot Conservative spin doctoring will change that fact.
