wtf mate?
It was a panic attack, okay?
Seized by indecisiveness!
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I'll be back tomorrow, then writing.
I am gone for a few days - back shortly. If you are waiting on an Imperial Post....wait a little longer!!!!
Honestly, Dolash, you've stated the matter of the problem yourself:
How are we meant to balance 'fairness of NPC loss', when you have an army of thousands, and we have a dozen (maybe two) of them? Do you expect us to take hits of one-for-one NPCs? Don't you think that might incur a little difference in the NPC death ratio?
Also, I'm starting to get miffed with your continued use of Vicirus as a means to say he's pushing the bounds of Godmodding - and while the word hasn't been there, the intent is clear. Quite simply, I'm not writing Force moves as such happening on a whim; I've been very subtle in any use of the Force up until now, and perhaps it was my fault by not coming out into the fore as something akin to Dark Lord Maim that my 'sudden' use of larger scale Force powers isn't as readily accepted.
A character doesn't reach Master status, or any status, without being recognized as having the ability to make use of powers to that level, in most degrees. Vicirus has been a master for a while now, so why can't he make use of Force abilities that he has access to? Why should I be forced to curb my character's abilities, when you can pour numerous NPCs into the Sith temple indefinitely?
So I have Vicirus use the Force against overwhelming enemies, is that so hard to understand? What would be more feasible: Vicirus taking down a number of enemies, in the confines of the temple passageway, with a Force push (which, I’m sure you know, is an Apprentice level ability – however he used it in more of a wave concept)? Or by cutting down man after creature, after alien to no end with his lightsabers?
It’s not my fault you attacked the Sith when your character is still considered Apprentice status, and it’s not my fault I have a master ranked character that can make use of some of the powers associated with his rank level. In fact, I’m drawing from the TRFwiki; which has powers that were discussed, and had no comments made against them or their position on the Force powers listing, in the light of someone stating they couldn’t be done.
So, I ask you, why should I be forced into simply sitting back and doing nothing against your army of NPCs? Shouldn’t I be entitled, as a member who’s put in hard yards to get to master rank, to use the powers at my character’s disposal when they are needed most?
I would also like to point out that, as Vicirus, I have never stated exactly how many NPCs you have lost; I’ve left the count up to either you, or whoever is reading, to determine. And while the Force Storm has claimed hundreds – a loosely based term, which could range from less than one hundred to a thousand if you want – Vicirus is hardly in a position to count the bodies flailing into the storm center. Nothing is stopping you from NPCing your NPCs and having them flee the Storm's radius...
If you think the power use was cheesy; fine. At least I’m not disputing the loss of my so very few NPCs, and am rolling with the punches. If I had an army of thousands, then yes we could crunch numbers; but, as it is, let's crunch the lists with your thousand+ army against my dozen NPCs...
Honestly, what can you complain about?
How are we meant to balance 'fairness of NPC loss', when you have an army of thousands, and we have a dozen (maybe two) of them? Do you expect us to take hits of one-for-one NPCs? Don't you think that might incur a little difference in the NPC death ratio?
Also, I'm starting to get miffed with your continued use of Vicirus as a means to say he's pushing the bounds of Godmodding - and while the word hasn't been there, the intent is clear. Quite simply, I'm not writing Force moves as such happening on a whim; I've been very subtle in any use of the Force up until now, and perhaps it was my fault by not coming out into the fore as something akin to Dark Lord Maim that my 'sudden' use of larger scale Force powers isn't as readily accepted.
A character doesn't reach Master status, or any status, without being recognized as having the ability to make use of powers to that level, in most degrees. Vicirus has been a master for a while now, so why can't he make use of Force abilities that he has access to? Why should I be forced to curb my character's abilities, when you can pour numerous NPCs into the Sith temple indefinitely?
So I have Vicirus use the Force against overwhelming enemies, is that so hard to understand? What would be more feasible: Vicirus taking down a number of enemies, in the confines of the temple passageway, with a Force push (which, I’m sure you know, is an Apprentice level ability – however he used it in more of a wave concept)? Or by cutting down man after creature, after alien to no end with his lightsabers?
It’s not my fault you attacked the Sith when your character is still considered Apprentice status, and it’s not my fault I have a master ranked character that can make use of some of the powers associated with his rank level. In fact, I’m drawing from the TRFwiki; which has powers that were discussed, and had no comments made against them or their position on the Force powers listing, in the light of someone stating they couldn’t be done.
So, I ask you, why should I be forced into simply sitting back and doing nothing against your army of NPCs? Shouldn’t I be entitled, as a member who’s put in hard yards to get to master rank, to use the powers at my character’s disposal when they are needed most?
I would also like to point out that, as Vicirus, I have never stated exactly how many NPCs you have lost; I’ve left the count up to either you, or whoever is reading, to determine. And while the Force Storm has claimed hundreds – a loosely based term, which could range from less than one hundred to a thousand if you want – Vicirus is hardly in a position to count the bodies flailing into the storm center. Nothing is stopping you from NPCing your NPCs and having them flee the Storm's radius...
If you think the power use was cheesy; fine. At least I’m not disputing the loss of my so very few NPCs, and am rolling with the punches. If I had an army of thousands, then yes we could crunch numbers; but, as it is, let's crunch the lists with your thousand+ army against my dozen NPCs...
Honestly, what can you complain about?
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My typing can make words.
Who is up and where do we stand? Please, edify!
My typing can make words.
Who is up and where do we stand? Please, edify!
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I have only this to say in relation to my professional military opinion of casualties.
The attacking Crusader forces have the advantage of having devastated the area around the temple in their preliminary barrage. This however robbed them of suprise. The defenders, the Sith, have had ample time to prepare for the assault they all but knew or discerned was coming. The Sith if they were to mount a static defense would be slaughtered by sheer weight of numbers, but even then the manner of their defense and training would doubtless incur a casualty figure that is in excess of 10-1. For the sake of arguement and since crusader front line troops are generally expendable, I would suggest a ratio of 20-1 be agreed upon - that is twenty fallen for the weakest of the Sith apprentices.
An attack on a fortified position after a bombardment has advantages and disadvantages but regardless the casualty rate for an attacker with the element of suprise removed is usually 5-1.
I have only this to say in relation to my professional military opinion of casualties.
The attacking Crusader forces have the advantage of having devastated the area around the temple in their preliminary barrage. This however robbed them of suprise. The defenders, the Sith, have had ample time to prepare for the assault they all but knew or discerned was coming. The Sith if they were to mount a static defense would be slaughtered by sheer weight of numbers, but even then the manner of their defense and training would doubtless incur a casualty figure that is in excess of 10-1. For the sake of arguement and since crusader front line troops are generally expendable, I would suggest a ratio of 20-1 be agreed upon - that is twenty fallen for the weakest of the Sith apprentices.
An attack on a fortified position after a bombardment has advantages and disadvantages but regardless the casualty rate for an attacker with the element of suprise removed is usually 5-1.
Note; I have no problem with the way the thing is being written.
For those who require resolution, and knowing full well I abhor such mitigating circumstances being applied in the realm of Fiction (science or otherwise) such as the example provided previous by Telan (among others) if such rules have to be formulated and enforced, creating Fleeting For Force-Users if you will, then matters beyond, "I am a Master and therefor can do X" will have to be constructed. One example occurs to me, balanced between Dolash's post as Silk and Vance's most recent; that akin to the rules of Fleeting where reinforcements can only be employed based on a turn-by-turn basis, where volleys can only be fired so many salvos per round, then it seems equatable that utilizing such massive Force-techniques should be similarly stringent... perhaps employing a summoning/casting period that would translate in to so-many-posts-per and so on.
Note again, I am not in favor of such proposals but be aware that, should things digress, this is the very fate we will end up creating for ourselves. I recommend against it.
/end random thought
For those who require resolution, and knowing full well I abhor such mitigating circumstances being applied in the realm of Fiction (science or otherwise) such as the example provided previous by Telan (among others) if such rules have to be formulated and enforced, creating Fleeting For Force-Users if you will, then matters beyond, "I am a Master and therefor can do X" will have to be constructed. One example occurs to me, balanced between Dolash's post as Silk and Vance's most recent; that akin to the rules of Fleeting where reinforcements can only be employed based on a turn-by-turn basis, where volleys can only be fired so many salvos per round, then it seems equatable that utilizing such massive Force-techniques should be similarly stringent... perhaps employing a summoning/casting period that would translate in to so-many-posts-per and so on.
Note again, I am not in favor of such proposals but be aware that, should things digress, this is the very fate we will end up creating for ourselves. I recommend against it.
/end random thought
Just to bring it to the attention of those involved:
The thread hasn't been posted within in the last 14 days. A little beyond the 72 hour guideline, yes? Are we still waiting on the invaders, or other Sith; or should those of us waiting patiently simply post again and continue, as was the statement of the invader's not too long ago?
As for any rules in play about Force powers, or the number of powers to be used in one post: there's no need for any agreement on anything of that nature, simply because it would bring into effect who, what rank, how and any other number of sub-sections on a general agreement.
For instance, a Knight would be able to do more moves/powers in one post than an Apprentice, as would a Master be able to do more than a Knight, etc. Which, of course, would bring into play what powers are considered more than a single move, how much power would be drained from the individual, and so on and so forth...
We're all adults here and we know what we're doing and where the line is; I think that should be satisfactory.
As some seem concerned over Vicirus using a Force Storm as readily as he did, it seems sensible to indicate that I did specify a time having passed; but, with the nature of the invasion, and how quickly things seem to be progressing (without a real indication of time), we can simply assume that he would have required a matter of minutes (why not up to ten?) to summon/cast his Force power.
I haven't seen any real indications of timeframes being used in the thread, and therefore I didn't feel the need to drag my post out over another two following the initial.
Failing that, I can edit, and simply complete the move next post-increment - which would make more sense as to why Necros didn't seem to notice the power to begin with, heh.
The thread hasn't been posted within in the last 14 days. A little beyond the 72 hour guideline, yes? Are we still waiting on the invaders, or other Sith; or should those of us waiting patiently simply post again and continue, as was the statement of the invader's not too long ago?
As for any rules in play about Force powers, or the number of powers to be used in one post: there's no need for any agreement on anything of that nature, simply because it would bring into effect who, what rank, how and any other number of sub-sections on a general agreement.
For instance, a Knight would be able to do more moves/powers in one post than an Apprentice, as would a Master be able to do more than a Knight, etc. Which, of course, would bring into play what powers are considered more than a single move, how much power would be drained from the individual, and so on and so forth...
We're all adults here and we know what we're doing and where the line is; I think that should be satisfactory.
As some seem concerned over Vicirus using a Force Storm as readily as he did, it seems sensible to indicate that I did specify a time having passed; but, with the nature of the invasion, and how quickly things seem to be progressing (without a real indication of time), we can simply assume that he would have required a matter of minutes (why not up to ten?) to summon/cast his Force power.
I haven't seen any real indications of timeframes being used in the thread, and therefore I didn't feel the need to drag my post out over another two following the initial.
Failing that, I can edit, and simply complete the move next post-increment - which would make more sense as to why Necros didn't seem to notice the power to begin with, heh.