the rp in itself, for my character at the very least, would be some character building. at the moment she isn't ready to spring her father from prison just yet.
and while a ruling is being made, i'll simply write my end till things are straightend out.
who can resist a "great escape" kind of rp? those can be fun.
It seems to me that there are two separate issues here.
1. The status of Kamon the character.
2. Roleplay etiquette (ie: Kyric entering a roleplay storyline already established by his own group and others uninformed and the subsequent fallout).
First off, We are going to set a rule here: While a Playable Character can be captured (and of course not killed or maimed), there will also be no indefinite captures.
A character may be captured and held for 2 weeks (without permission) and 3 weeks or longer with permission of fellow rp'er.
A good example of player courtesy was when Drayson brilliantly captured Joren Arden during the last war. The Empire knew such a situation would and should not be indefinite. After a while, he "escaped" (the planet was retaken by ORS) and the game went on.
And while it was thought such actions should very well be left to simple player courtesy towards each other, it becomes glaringly obvious that it cannot and so a rule must be put in place.
Issue 1 - The status of Kamon the character.
I must conceded that Raktus does have a point regarding Kamon quitting and stating he'd never be back and so it would be a logical assumption Kamon's character becomes an NPC and able to be "killed off".
There is no rule regarding this point one way or the other and the only thing preventing this sort of interpretation is: player courtesy/etiquette.
Have PC's been used as NPCs? Yes. In Imperial roleplays (as Kaine) I have been known to use Hyfe, Zell and soon, Theren, as I would NPCs for continuity purposes. However, what differs in this is that I regard them still as characters that are/were PC's and I would relinquish any "claim" should Hyfe, Zell or Theren return.
To simply state: "tough shit, you left" would simply be counter productive in a roleplaying environment.
However, let's for the moment say that the staff endorses Raktus' view, what happens then?
The question comes up: When does a PC (playable character) become an NPC (non-playable character) and thus subject to all the ill fortunes that can (and usually do) befall them?
We ask this because not everyone gives us the courtesy of informing the board that they are leaving TRF (as Kamon and Theren did, albeit rather heated with Kamon though).
So, with those that have disappeared/left over time (without notice), would it not also be logical to assume they are NPCs and able to be killed off?
In fact, let's take it a step further since this is a roleplaying board. What if people posted with their character names in the Cafe on politics, in R&D forum voicing an opinion on a ship design, or in the Arts & Entertainment on their favorite movie but never actually roleplayed in the Battlegrounds as that character?
Would it not also be logical to assume (after say 2, 3, 6 months of posting everywhere else but the Battlegrounds) that the character is now an NPC and able to now be killed off?
Remember, we are not talking about screennames but, rather, the status of actual "characters" within the TRF universe.
Would not Heir Raktus (along with Hyfe, Zell, Exceron, Drayson, Theren) also be considered NPC the same as Kamon (according to Gue's logic)?
In my opinion, if we kill off all those names, we simply put a roadblock in the way of old-timer TRFers should they ever want to come back. A roadblock that is rather pointless.
Therefore, I ask your opinion, since apparently people want an to make an issue out of this:
When does an PC become an NPC? At what level of "roleplaying" inactivity?
Issue 2 - Roleplaying Etiquette
Now, let's move away from the individual character and focus on the group itself.
In this situation, whatever people assumed about Kamon's status as a character given his leaving TRF, would it not be logical to assume that with the group approval of WDC as well as Kamon as a member, that his status would definitely be (once again) PC?
Therefore, you are given to two conclusions: When Kamon left, BDE ate up Tholatin and imprisoned the character. With formation of WDC, Kamon is no longer imprisoned.
Therefore, for IC to follow OOC developments, IC either BDE let him go or Kamon escaped. This is not the first time IC storyline was moved to support OOC action. It was also done during the fleet restart... to keep the continuity going.
Now, even though his group and character (as a member) was approved by the staff, he did not simply start out already out of prison even though, to coin a phrase Kyric used, "he could".
By rights, Kamon could simply have said, "I escaped" without actually rp'ing it at all. But that would have been sloppy, just like the galaxy suddenly having their fleets "vanish" for no reason IC in the event of a fleet restart.
Personally, I appreciate the fact that he decided to rp it out.
And so (as I understand it) he (representing WDC), Grevious (representing BDE) and Kas (representing a roleplaying third party) got together to do a story that seemed to be going fine until Kyric's post.
Now, the funny thing is, Kyric's post really changes nothing. WDC is still approved as is Kamon, a member. Therefore, he already is (defacto) out of prison. Kyric's post merely pushes the story to reflect that Kamon escapes while Kessel is in it's highest state of alert (quite a feat for Kamon).
His escape is already a forgone conclusion. All that needs to be told is the story of how it happened (which was a collaboration between BDE, Anthos, and WDC). At least until Kyric posted.
Now Drayson made the point that since the planet was Kyric's, he can post. Granted, ANYONE in BDE can post on a planet that is owned by BDE. I mean, hell, Kraken could post in Apparitions about his character liking lollipops and launching seven Death Stars. That doesn't mean it's a good idea. Just because you CAN do something does not mean you SHOULD. It would show a lack of respect for anyone participating in Apparitions and just kill the roleplay.
However, what's interesting about Kyric's post is that it not only totally disregards the established "scene advance timeframe" but it totally disregards his own fellow member's posts. It shows that either he did not read the roleplay, was uninformed by Grevious as to what was happening or simply did not care.
I think, perhaps, it was a combination of 1 and 3...heh.
If Kyric wanted to be in on the collaborative roleplay all he had to do was let those in the rp know. They wouldn't have stopped him (it is BDE's planet). Grevious could have brought him up to speed with Kas. Especially since they like doing good roleplays, good stories, good work.
And so it's curious,
1. The story offered no threat to BDE. 2. BDE was approached and is already in the roleplay. 3. Kamon and his one planet offers no threat to BDE (I mean, come on guys. Really! Hell, TJO could probably take it and they are a non-fleet faction!)
Was the problem with Kamon himself?
So the motivation for Kamon's character is revenge. So what? You guys raped him enough times it's bound to do something to the boy. Did he get mad? Yeah. Face it. You humiliated him and I think you still are trying. Granted when he spouts off angrily, I can see why you still feel the urge to kick him. But when he's calm and writing, he's not that bad. The fact that the guy's faction has gone through hell and back and he still came back to rp is something I find quite admirablel.
All Kyric's post has done is show a shocking lack of concern for his own fellow BDE member and his work, Kas and Kamon's work in the roleplay, a curious lack of communication between BDE members and, in fact, it raises questions about BDE's ability to keep a fair, mature, and respectful reputation...
especially when they desire for more lattitude in creating a superweapon so divorced from SW technology it's insane.
Now, I do not have a problem with the techs BDE comes out with or their ideas. In fact, I am awed by their constantly pushing the technological envelope in what they create. It is original, it is cool..
But what I begin to have a problem with is this post of Kyric's seems unecessary and hints to a much greater concern. I mean, if it were a fleet roleplay that's one thing. But in a storyline? No.
I get the feeling that he just wanted to be a dick and try to force Kamon into more humiliation when all the boy is trying to do is tell a story of how he escaped. And if coupled with looking like he just doesn't care about his own fellow members, it indicates a lack of control behind the scenes at BDE.
That he doesn't care about the roleplays of others even when they have gone through the channels of talking with BDE....a thought comes to mind..
..these are the people wanting more tech freedom and a superweapon to build?
I mean, I might expect it from Kamon or Jan.. lol... they are young and their egos still soar higher than their talent (though practice and experience does change that.. no really.).
You guys, though (BDE). You guys are supposed to be the best!
When they curse the board and claim they will never return. There is a big differeance between vanishing for 6 months and out and out leaving. Also, as a point, Heir Raktus has made appearances in roleplays within the last month or so...
No, no hes not. The staff makes a mistake approving a group whos leader is in prison, the staff appologizes and takes back their mistake, not a backward thinking "we messed up but thats the way it is." Kamon was imprisoned, and remains that way until he actually does escape or whatever else may happen.
As well, who says Kyric had to impose a lock down at any given point, who's to say that exact moment wouldnt have been when the lock down would have been initiated regardless of outside circumstance? No one, you assume too many things is all, and label Kyric with actions he might not other wise do.
Whats up with BDE? We are roleplaying, realisticaly. Sorry if that goes over the heads of some people, well try better from now on. Scouts honor.
That last comment was completely unnesscessary Gue.
You have been given a lot of leeway. Let's not forget we could have given your group to Jade but we instead worked out a solution satisfactory to both parties. Two members of your group have asked for positions on our staff and two members of your group are moderators of the technical sections of TRF. You have been given a mile for every mile asked, and to come out and insult anyone by saying we don't understand the concept of roleplaying realistically. You have been given grace after grace and everytime an arguement comes up you get a chip. Knock it off, now. You've compromised in the past but never without an undue amount of strong arming and threatening. You don't seem to realize that this isn't the BDE show. You like everyone else are a faction of TRF. Yes you work hard and yes, you're active and yes, we appreciate your work, but why are you the only faction we have had an issue with since GC surrendered to TNO? You and Kamon. I realize that is Kamon. I told Kamon to stay away. But the bottom line is that legally, it is crap that you say he can be held indefinitely. It's the same as when I was banned at TGC and Binks "killed" me. It's a similar situation. Kamon wasn't banned, but even if he was, that doesn't give roleplayer Joe the ability to kill him off. Kaine killed off Chadd Fearsons, I was against that when it happened and I'm against it now. As soon as the staff starts arbitrarily deciding the rights of the characters in it's galaxy it had gone way, way too far. I would be apt to side with you, although Kamon's arguement holds weight as he should be the one with paramount on his character, based on the fact that he is arguementative and not very reasonable. But what I basically see here is a thread with Krevious and Kas, and Kamon, and then all of a sudden you and Kyric decide to take their ball and go home. It's a lot of shit really, and the way you throw in snide remarks at the staff when we don't lhand down a favourable ruling smells even more.
You've been given a lot of respect and responsibility. It's about time you earned it.
