Telan: Yes the Shroud is "cloaked" so that people can't detect it with normal sensors. At the same point, the Graviton Detector Mk.I, an approved R&D from the GC/TNO war, was designed to detect cloaked ships. We aren't saying we are using normal sensors to detect the Shroud, we are saying that we are using the Graviton Detector to detect it, and it could. Plus I believe that BDE has their own form of stealth detecting device on most of their
R&Ds.


From Drayson:

As the only member of a faction, would you desire to start a war with another group? Especially when you are not (strictly speaking) the owner of that faction?

That doesn't really follow when you consider recent events. Mainly, Kraken almost starting a war with GC using his BDE account (The Slumbering Dragon Awakens). Not only did he intruded on GC space, he left open the very real possibility for him to return and attack GC. Furthermore, he was suggesting that BDE would potentially take the TNO attack and think it was a GC attack and then go start a war with GC. I think the facts point towards Kraken not caring about starting a war.

Kraken: Yes you have a GC account. However it has been extremely inactive and I wouldn't say that it would make you unbiased in this instance, because you main account is with TNO and your next to main accounts are with BDE and TSO. Your GC account is an account which you have used in one RP, and that was almost a year ago (end of November 2004). Saying this makes you unbiased isn't really a good arguement. Plus using your TSO account doesn't help you a whole lot because TSO is allied with, or somehow connected to, TNO.

As for the Opening Doors to the Future thread, I was there at the start of it, but then left to go to camp and admit to missing most of it and I don't believe I was involved at the end of that thread, I'm pretty sure I just thought Dolash had handled it or something. So I don't feel I can comment on that situation one way or another.

As for GC shutting up about this, TNO is trying to attack out planet, I do believe in all fairness we are allowed to comment on the situation.

And I believe one of our main complaints here is that you made a tactical error, something which GC did a lot in the last war, and I've done it multiple other times before that, except we got burned on all of those, and don't feel that just because the two parties involved feel that the thread can be erased when they both stand something to gain (in one form or another) that its fair to do so. Especially when the same thread was just copied and pasted directly into a new thread to attck us.

Also, I can honestly say (as I mentioned at the beginning of the thread) that I thought you had seriously intended to attack BDE at Tholatin to test out your new weapons in a combat scenario where the other person might think up new and ingenius methods of countering your technology that you missed before using the technology to attack GC. To support this I'd like to point out that the name GC was never mentioned once your fleet arrive in the Bimmisaari system and never did you say, GC is going to learn their lesson now or anything. GC was only mentioned prior to the fleet aspect of the RP. I actually thought it was a rather smart tactic, testing out your weapons against another faction, which is unlikely to respond in kind prior to using them against us.

I'm all for continuing this second thread. As it stands, however, it doesn't appear Demos has much surprise anyways, but further confirmation of this wouldn't hurt either. The fleet battle so far does have a solid basis for my little surprise attack, considering the heightened alert level that would be in effect what with all these battles between the Empire and the Coalition going on (this looks like it happens immeadietly after Roche, or at least some time around then). The Graviton detector things would be able to see the shroud, and our own stealth ship (the Stealth Intruder) patrols much further out then usual, since it is protected by invisibility.

The Imperial fleet apparently took a while to set up on the edge of sensor range, giving us time to set up our ambush at the edge of theirs. The plan was to pretend that there were sparse and unprepared defences, then suddenly attack the shroud and descend on the Imperial fleet.

So in other words, step-by-step explination time:

1. Coalition fleet hears suspiscious activity of Empire, goes on elevated alert, sends Stealth Intruders on far-ranging patrol.

2. Imperial fleet appears, forms up outside of sensor range of planet but is seen by Stealth Intruders on patrol.

3. Since the Coalition forces are outside of the Empire's sensor range (Considering the Empire is out of theirs) they use the sensor information of the Stealth Intruders to move away from the planet and instead deploy at the edges of sensor range of the Empire, except to their underbelly and flank.

4. Empire sends a Shroud forwards, to provide sensor data for the Imperial fleet. Before they get enough data, however, the trap is sprung and a Coalition 'bait' ship destroys the Shroud. The Empire ceases to get sensor data and thus doesn't know what's going on.

5. Coalition forces stationed around the Imperial formation descend on it rapidly, taking advantage of their tight positioning and no shields to let off a devastating first volley before they could move away or otherwise get into appropriate position.

6. Coalition forces break off attack, back off, then regroup behind Imperial forces, forcing their enemy to break formation in order to catch them.

Im not familiar with the tecnhology. Is it a constant-running system? If not, then it would not detect it - but if it is, then it would. Just asking - not my area of expertise. When battleships begin trading broadsides - look me up.

Kraken: Yes you have a GC account. However it has been extremely inactive and I wouldn't say that it would make you unbiased in this instance, because you main account is with TNO and your next to main accounts are with BDE and TSO. Your GC account is an account which you have used in one RP, and that was almost a year ago (end of November 2004). Saying this makes you unbiased isn't really a good arguement. Plus using your TSO account doesn't help you a whole lot because TSO is allied with, or somehow connected to, TNO.

What I'm just point out is that I have many characters in many groups, and sometimes I may be tempted to use one character to aide another character. I admit that in this case, if I had been allowed to proceed, that the plan I had would be completley unfair and a form of cheating. Just another reason that I'm glad that the thread was deleted, because I really don't like those sorts of tatics.

And no matter what happens here, I will still like everyone. I might be annoyed or angry at them, but I really don't hate anyone, Ahnk included. But I am sensing an uncomfortable amount of hate being pointed in my direction. I would hate to feel that TRF is becoming an hostile enviorment to even dedicated members now.

I don't pretend to understand everything about the Graviton Detector. I think its kind of like any other sensor device, you can turn it on or off, but once it is on it stays on until its turned off. And due to the high state of alert our fleet would be on (as we have rising tensions with both TNO and BDE) then the Graviton and all sensors would be on at all times.

And Kraken, or anyone, if you feel any hostility coming from me, I apologise as I don't mean to send waves of hostility in any ones direction. I believe and hope that I am past the days of disliking/hating people because of IC events. And if you were thinking about my reply to your comment about Jan's motto of clearing a minefield, I'll admit right now that the reply was extremely immature and rather stupid.

Pfft, virtually all of my replies were immature and stupid in that thread.

True, I was just making sure there were no hard feelings there.

*Goes off to plot Kraken's terrible, gruesome death*

FYI, there was never an intention to actually take any world (be it Tholatin or Bimissari). The plan was to hit them and fall back, really just as a punishment for Roche and as a practical test of the EMPIRE design.

I never intended to land troops.

Dolash: I'll have to go over your post again, because on first reading it seemed TOO perfect a trap...

Yeah, but then again, the argument "We were just there to test our weapons!" rarely works in war :D. Don't worry, I'm sure you'll manage to pull off what you intend within the context of the thread, it'll probably just involve more fighting then intended.

Okay, realtively minor concerns, I think:

1) If we're going to pretend the other thread never existed, that will need to be reflected in your post.

2) The usual arguments of "common sense" aside, please refer to THIS R&D. TNO's ships had shields up, or would have the moment enemy vessels were detected.

3) Logically, if the GC was baiting the Shroud, it would still reach sensor range, no? Can we agree that the events happened as described in my post, and the Shroud was destroyed immediatly thereafter? Perhaps in the time in took the EMPIRE shots to reach the target vessel?

I think that's everything I have...