I was not insulting American soldiers - as a soldier myself I would not insult those who fight and fall. I was not impugning those who engage in combat now, make no mistake - -

- - I impugn those who lead them. Officers not taught the realities of war, Generals who have forgotten how to lead, only caring of politics and post-service aspirations to office, civilians directing military units, and the mis managed administration which is meant to support and supply them. No, I am not insulting the American soldiers on teh whole for some have tried to be honourable. They face an impossible task and are making do as best they can.

I apologize truly if it was taken as such. That was not my intention.

An occupation such as Iraq is in its infancy and cannot be won the way the American government wants to fight it. They are trying to force their ideals on a people who do not want them - of course civilians are going to fight. They are opposing the occupation of their lands, and I must say I cannot entirely side against them. While I abhor guerilla warfare and beleive thoroughly that non-uniformed combatants as per the Geneva and Hague accords can be shot as spies, I understand where they are coming from. American troops walk superior among their people, push their vehicles out of the way, and hand out a way of life they do not desire. Of course they are going to fight. Tell me you would not do the same thing if you woke up under Chinese Dominion and I will call you a liar.

The Americans are dying by the score because their leaders are leading them improperly. I believe in conquest but I believe it to be done right. The United States is again trying to force some middle ground between the two methods of occupation but have stumbled on a people less pliable than the defeated Germans.

The way to save the remaining lives is to evacuate the nation or truly subjugate it. But either way, the cost is going to be high and the people are going to need to support the men, not malign them. That, sadly, is never going to happen. America is not a country - now any way - that can support its military.

To Irtar - what role do you suggest? Patsy? lackey? Global stooge? That is what we are now. What they are now.

Is it hypocritical - I suppose it is. But then that is the pride of a nation. I believe we should rise up and return to our conquering roots yes. And if we are defeated then so be it, for all the treuesdeutsch will be dead. Then there will be no one left to complain of subjugation. That is the way of things

Telan, I'm sorry, but that is ridiculous. You cry of being subjugated because you are unable to subjugate others. Then by your logic your plight is your fault. And also by your logic your people are too weak to deserve their own country, since they 'cannot free it from foreign control'.

Conquest is dead form. America is the last conquerer on earth because we are the youngest power.

And on the subject of fighting this war, suicide bombing was never used in the excess it is used now. There were instances in Vietnam that I know of, and some in WW2 with kamikazes, but honestly children and teenagers line up by the hundreds to blow themselves up for the chance to kill just one American soldier.

AS I said, you would do the same if you way of life was threatened and a foreign power arrived and told you that you were going to do things their way or else.

Conquest is not dead, it is dying. It needs to be revived. America is reviving it, albeit in a haphazard fashion.

No - our plight is indeed our own fault because we were defeated. We bear the burden of our shame.

Telan I think you've been brainwashed.

Are you going to tell me that Jews and homosexuals should exterminated as subhumans?

Don't start that. Number one, I am gay, so obviously not. I do not believe in Untermenschen. Only ubermenschen. And no, Germans are not. Those who remain are far from worthy of Bismarck, Moltke, or Wilhelm I (not II).

No where here are we talking about extermination of a people for their beliefs. I never said that. I am not a Nazi for the galzionth time. Just because I believe in Imperialism and ardent militaristic nationalism does not make me a Nazi. Does being proud of America make you a Republican? Does losing all of your hair make you a skinhead???

Well, technically. Since your head would definitely be one of skin. But that's a head of a different baldness. *nods*

But anywho, Telan I have only one thing to say: If you believe this as deeply and truly as you claim, then why are you not in Germany raising an armed rebellion to take a military coup of Germany?

You say the only people worthy of being German is those willing to die for those ideals and you have not yet. Therefore it means you are cowardly and unwilling to stand for Germany by your own words and standards.

Now, I'm not saying these things to try and mock you. I am well and truly trying to help you piece together your ideology and beliefs so I can understand.

If I believe such a movement stood a chance, I would. But Germans are not made of what they used to be - the Germans would not rise up in revolt against their occupiers.

I was born after a time where I had a chance to make a difference or to fall in glorious battle.

Your speaking of reviving conquest and calling our for war and the subjugation of those weaker than yourself. How do you think the Holocaust began? Germans who were proud of their country got in their heads that there was no greater people on earth than the Aryans and german nationals, so they rounded up those they believed were beneath them and executed them without remorse by the thousands.

Conquering should be dead, war is a terrible thing, I don't think you've fought in one so I don't think you know what a fucking terrible thing it is. If you have then you are really warped by it.

I have served and I have fought.

Extermination on race religious and other biases are a logistic waste. As long as those people are loyal to the government than I cannot see a reason to liquidate them. Wasting resources is far from in a nation's best interest.

There is a difference between being proud and being stupid. Eradication began because of sutpidity. And the Holocaust did not begin as German pride, it began as the misplaced hatred from raving lunatics who did more harm than good. Also, for the record, I would remind you of the statement of Josef Goebbels who said the German were not suitably racist but the Polish were far more anti semetic than the German people could ever hope to become.

Do not lecture me on the war. My family served in it and died in it.