I have poked fun at the semantic distinction (the official title of your group is the Alliance to Restore the Republic but you've also been called the Rebellion and I am not sure why because, as you say, you aren't rebelling against anything that I could ever see) that Beff outlined in the post above. Admittedly, I don't think the group finished telling us what they were about.

Two completely different groups, and only one established itself. The Alliance to Restore the Republic was Zell's group, the Rebellion was mine. The Rebellion got mired in ridiculous debate over the mere meaning of it's name, and the group killed itself before it really even started while Zell's group went straight for fleeting that many people wanted. So much for my goal of a storyline focused group.


With the Rebellion, people were reading waaaay too much into semantics and it was just generally unpleasant. In fact, I am so sick of the semantics of the (my) Rebellion I want to puke. Judging from the replies to this thread, you guys still aren't over yourselves yet. Feel free to continue to lecture on the purpose and meaning of the Rebellion group, because gee I'm sure none of the stuff you say has ever occurred to me before. Seriously... it's just a name. How can you guys judge a group which even now has yet to show you it's true identity in the battlegrounds? I don't see how the motives driving the actions of my characters are relevant here.


I shall take the liberty to point out that the "Rebellion" in it's current incarnation (if that is what you want to call it), consists of pieces of Zell's fleeting Alliance that Corise salvaged and carried on with. My Rebellion died with it's dead intro thread, abandoned characters and aimless plot.


Which brings me to why I want to delete the entire RP and rewrite it all: to establish a foundation, an identity that can be built on later. I do not intend to retcon the foundation and growth of any groups, I don't even want to found a group with the RP anymore. I want to tell the story of Leia's participation in the Mon Cal evacuation, so the developments I will be working on in the present time line have substance when the matter of groups does come up.


What am I trying to gain materially IC? I am trying to establish relations with a group of Calamarians who are working independantly of (NOT against, NOT opposing, NO REBELLING) the Coalition to contribute to the survival and integrity of their people. I could do this simply by completing the RP in it's current form yes (unless completing RPs isn't allowed now?) but I want to do it with a better story with better driving motives that will serve as a foundation for what is to come in the present time line. And of course, I need the ship. Which brings us to...

Beff Pike

However, I do not personally believe that any such explanation can suitably explain its continued existence beyond its use as an out-dated, mothballed, stripped down hulk.

I agree. And have agreed since I originally decided to make a move on Home One when the RP was originally outlined. This was and continues to be my take on the matter:


No one has laid claim to Home One in years. But neither has someone claimed it to be destroyed, either. If the ship were going to be anywhere, I would propose that Home One would just be an empty stripped down hulk with maybe a functioning engine (or an engine that used to function) to move it around orbit if needed. As for it being at Mon Cal, well... why wouldn't the Calamarians have it? It was originally their ship, and the ship itself represents a great deal of history. Maybe someone was going to take it and make it into a museum, or a cruiser, maybe someone couldn't bring themselves to sign the paper to scrap the thing. I doubt such a floating hulk parked in some ship graveyard would attract much attention during invasions. Maybe the ship could have been used as a ferry, but nobody had gotten to pulling it out of mothballs yet in the ensuing chaos. Maybe I want to be the one who pushes for it to be used as a ferry. Nobody else did when the evacuation was written. Sure all ships were called into service, but what if it was forgotten in it's pile of mothballs? Either way, it's just a ship. One ship, that nobody else has claimed in all this time.


In no way am I intending to declare that Home One is a fully functional, well maintained warship with only a couple dustballs that need to be swept up. I want the ship itself, and what it represented. I am willing to spend the time necessary to slowly restore it to a truly serviceable ship, and had originally intended to do so quietly in the timeline during Cataclysm with Corise's aid (I suppose now you would call this retconning, even though it was supposed to take place in said RP at time of introduction).


Since the ship is so outdated, while I completely imagine the ship would be stripped of all wartime equipment like gun emplacements, etc. Would they really have stripped engines that were already becoming dated during the battle of Endor? Doesn't seem worth it to me. Especially if someone had plans to put the ship into non combat service.


Home One will not belong to the Alliance, at this point Leia has no ties to the current Alliance at all and never has. But I will effectively own it through a group of NPCs. I could easily spend an RP with many, many less words obtaining a better, newer ship with guns. Hell, it only takes 5000 words to have an entire planet. All I want... is Home One. I could do it in the current time line if you forced me to, but the story would be better this way. Regardless of what time line the story is completed in, the ship will not be developed or used in the current time line until the acquisition RP is complete.

As I understand it you want to go back and basically retcon the events of an old, unfinished thread and the outcome of that thread would a.) take place in the past and b.) leave some undefined group of Mon Calamari in possession of Home One?

Yes, and fuck you too.

Well, if it hasn't been destroyed, I don't see why not, I am sure a half-decent plausible explanation can be figured out ;)

Maybe it could even be retro fitted out to be a half decent command vessel.

At the very least, even if its not a ship of the line anymore, it would still serve a valuable morale boost I am sure!


No issue here with me on this one personally.

As for rewriting history, its a tricky one, since, even if you haven't done much personally , other people have referred to prior events in other RP's , kind of a knock-on effect, which I guess why Om is initially wary of it.

If we all start doing this it kinda messes up the TRF timeline, I know its a huge pain though, especially if you were let down in the past also.

I personally would love to go back and rewrite some events that happened when I was away in certain RPs , but I can't really in all fairness.

If its just a matter of closure, wrapping up loose ends, then I don't see why Leia can't simply write a kind of 'flashback-post' detailing out what actually happened - so long as it doesn't contradict what has already been written.

Which oddly enough seems like what you want to do anyway Leia, right?

As for semantics, I can't really comment on it really, from my POV the whole rebellion thing was kind of a mystery to me, I didn't know who was behind it at the time, and don't know what caused it to fail.

I did not realise for example, that you had wanted it to be a more storyline focused faction.

Interesting...

Has this come about because you wish to clarify Leia's own 'history' of sorts?

So, basically, you are starting a new group called the "Rebellion" and you want to start with Home One and you would like to start an rp founding the group IC around the Mon Cal evacuation.

Fine, fine and fine.

It's a new group even if it's purely a storyline group.

However, A Rough Road that Leads to the Stars is also the founding rp for the Alliance to Restore the Republic then, yes? If that is the case, the rp should stand since it is relevent to the group of the Alliance.

IMHO, if you wish to comment that your character met with them and decided their ideas were not to your liking an you passed on supporting them, fine. Otherwise, you don't have to comment on the previous rp at all.

We can all imagine that a group called the Alliance to Restore the Republic, nicknamed the "Rebellion", would have caught the interest of your character enough for a meeting.

If its just a matter of closure, wrapping up loose ends, then I don't see why Leia can't simply write a kind of 'flashback-post' detailing out what actually happened - so long as it doesn't contradict what has already been written.

I can't, I would be contradicting myself. One significant change that I desire to make is that Leia does not meet a "Rebel" organization out to "Rebel" against everyone as the RP currently portrays her doing. It's a matter of changing the underlying motives of the thread to actually match what transpired in the time line (that no rebellion group came into being) while still preserving some things I have already written (that Leia has relations with an independently functioning group of Calamarians) and then completing the main goal I had layed out as an added bonus hopefully (taking Home One). It's yet another giant hole in my character's time line that I want to fill in. And how is a flashback post so different from what I want to do?

As for rewriting history, its a tricky one, since, even if you haven't done much personally , other people have referred to prior events in other RP's , kind of a knock-on effect, which I guess why Om is initially wary of it.

The RP in it's current form suggests that I founded an IC Rebellion group, or had something to do with an IC Rebellion group when I ultimately didn't, mine died in that thread. I am trying to promote continuity with this project. And I am willing to discuss every word of it with every concerned party.

Omnae

So, basically, you are starting a new group called the "Rebellion" and you want to start with Home One and you would like to start an rp founding the group IC around the Mon Cal evacuation.

Fine, fine and fine.

It's a new group even if it's purely a storyline group.

If you are going to consider it a new group because I am acquiring assets however tiny, whatever. I don't want to call it the Rebellion. If it has to be an official group with a name, I will think of a different name so I can escape this whole Rebellion thing.

However, A Rough Road that Leads to the Stars is also the founding rp for the Alliance to Restore the Republic then, yes? If that is the case, the rp should stand since it is relevent to the group of the Alliance.

No, it is absolutely not. My RP is relevant only to me and the unique Rebellion I tried to found, and I have never had anything to do with the Alliance to Restore the Republic or it's characters. The only person the RP would affect should the whole thing be deleted and re-written is me. Like I said, they are two totally different groups. The Alliance to Restore the Republic was Zell's group and I assume he has his own starting RP somewhere. My Rebellion group died with it's intro thread a Rough Road Leads to the Stars.

IMHO, if you wish to comment that your character met with them and decided their ideas were not to your liking an you passed on supporting them, fine. Otherwise, you don't have to comment on the previous rp at all.

We can all imagine that a group called the Alliance to Restore the Republic, nicknamed the "Rebellion", would have caught the interest of your character enough for a meeting.

I do not wish to comment that. Obviously, we are still not on the same page here. Please re-read my previous post.

The beginning of "The Alliance to Restore the Republic" (Zell and Beff's group): Uprising, Part One: Seeds of Rebellion. Actually, it's the "re-beginning" of that group, I believe.

"A Rough Road Leads to the Stars" was in no way affiliated with Zell's Alliance. There were some PCs who posted once or twice in A Rough Road who later became affiliated with Zell's group, but I'm pretty sure that's just because those players realized Leia wanted to "write stories" and they liked Zell's "blow stuff up" plan better.

The point is: "A Rough Road" died. It was abandoned by every one of its writers except Leia. And when that last writer left, Leia was stuck waiting for responses that would never come. I'd rather not go through the list of every account that posted in the thread, but they're all either totally inactive or members of the "Alliance" now (except Smarts, who was there because I felt like the Coalition at least needed a presence in the thread that was taking place in the midst of a Coalition evacuation, and Leia, who's now trying to salvage this situation into something intelligible).

There are only two people this thread is relevant to anymore: me and Leia. Everyone else abandoned it (and that's not to imply that I didn't abandon it, but then again I didn't enter the thread to found a group, only to represent a party already present). If it were deleted now, the only characters it would affect would be Smarts and Leia. It just so happens that the two people who want to rework the story are Smarts and Leia.

We're not trying to cheat the system and "get something" we don't deserve, we're trying to make a story worth reading out of something that has become totally unintelligible. We intend to preserve existing continuity (with the possible exception of the Rough Road thread itself) while resolving the problems of Rough Road and giving it a valid conclusion.

And how is a flashback post so different from what I want to do?

Flashbacks do not rewrite history.

The only person the RP would affect should the whole thing be deleted and re-written is me.

Reread your thread again. The problem is, since the thread has the input of a variety of players, to simply arbitrarily say "ok, nothing that this thread says happened actually happened" not only affects your character and your character's actions but those of others.

If we delete it, every action from every character and group mentioned in the thread will NOT have happend in TRF history.

Rather than asking the staff if it is ok, perhaps you should ask the other participants in your thread if that is ok?


If you want a staff vote for you to either remove your presence from the thread to rewrite a new rp, fine. As a staffer, I can give you my vote.


If you get the ok's from all other participants to delete the rp, then ok... I will give my vote (this once).


However, as a participant, I would like the mention of the Commonwealth sending hospital/aid ships to Mon Calamari to be alive somewhere.

If you are going to consider it a new group because I am acquiring assets however tiny, whatever.

You're right. There's no call for an official group designation.

I think that a common thread in those comments posted by Om, Seth and myself is this; that In Character thread deletion isn't a matter to be taken lightly particularly when the thread in question is as large, old and involves as many characters as this one does.

Smarts, you say that everyone involved has since gone inactive or abandoned the thread. Thread death, around TRF, is a common occurrence and if that alone were justification to remove those pieces of continuity then I can assure you that large parts of our history would be chopped up and sold for parts. What if any of those characters or members come back? What if others involved have already built upon that particular thread, or plan to? You say that the only people this proposal would really affect would be yourself and Leia, but that is clearly not the case - even a cursory glance at the three pages posted already reveals involvement beyond that.

I personally cannot see why your only option, Leia and Smarts, is to delete the thread from our continuity, start again and produce a new result. Seth and Om have already thrown out a few ideas, about flashing back... about working around what's been done. I would really like to see a solution which doesn't end up with this thread being deleted and redone.

As one who was a participant in the original thread, and one who preferred Leia's group to Zell's, I was sorry to see it die. Since then Jaeriel's activities have been de minimus simply for lack of clear direction and someone with whom to write. I would wholly support the re-establishment of a group like Leia proposes and would, as Jaeriel, throw my support behind it.

There's my two cents, for what it's worth...

The staff are discussing this now Leia, please understand that our wariness in this matter is not anything directed personally at you, just a concern in keeping TRF's continuity and time-line intact.

That being said, if the thread in question did not really affect TRF a great deal and all the parties involved are happy for this to go ahead, then the chances of your request being granted is certainly improved.

On that note, does anyone here have objections to this? (as any genuine complaints that anyone might have will probably have a bearing on what the staff decide)

Say now or forever hold thy pieces.

Not everything will be deleted, only the elements specific to the foundation of the Rebellion group itself. Which is 100% stuff written by me since nobody else bothered to get that far. I intend to either copy and paste or somehow work around the character development posts made by everyone else. I want to delete my posts ONLY. And I suppose Smarts might need to adjust his.


And I wasn't meant to be staff only, I was asking everyone... that's why I posted it here for discussion :-)


Apparently I need to learn some communication skills. Every time I propose something, we always end up going in pointless debate circles because nobody really gets what I'm trying to say I want.


I will post exact outlines with proposed changes to show you exactly what we want to do as soon as I can write it.