Don't give me that @#%$. He attacked something that isn't there. What was in that location was something else.

I'm not disputing that.

I am disputing you telling anyone what their intentions are.

Feel free to roleplay that he did it intentionally. Feel free to roleplay that he meant to hit the shield generator and instead missed the gigantic "THIS IS A CIVILIAN LOT NOW YOU BIG KNOB" neon sign you posted on the new building. Feel free to roleplay crashing four or five ISDs into Bastion if you so desire.

Feel free to roleplay yourself.

Roleplay someone else.

And.

We.

Have a.

Rolex.

Thought I was going to say problem, weren't you?

Don't give me that @#%$. He attacked something that isn't there. What was in that location was something else.

Tell me exactly what you did with it then Drayson, as shield generators don't simply disappear into thin air.

Unless you are going to try to tell me that you removed it and transferred it...uprooting thousands of tons of durasteel and the like, unscrewing and unlinking thousands and thousands of wirings and pieces of material, then somehow transporting it all without effecting anyone on all of Abregado-rae when it was no doubt linked to electrical wiring that effects nearby civilian populaces. That you did all of those between the time of trying to liberate, arm, and prepare a planet, capturing, trying to interrogate, and then establishing the planet as a loose Imperial system.

If you somehow managed to upheave it, which I don't see as humanly possible given the time or the lack of any kind of role play short of "we captured it" (which would mean you caught it where it stands, not caught it and then transported it), then you should have informed such as "there is no shield generator, so you can't be firing on it" and I will gladly adjust my role play accordingly.

You did not do so and instead tried to dictate my RP to benefit you.

As well, this "Joren Arden moved, sorry" isn't going to work either. You, again, did no RP, did not inform the owner of said char (as far as I am aware or as far as he has told me) and cannot simply up and move things because it benefits you in this RP.

So, get the facts straight. Everything doesn't get to move perfectly to you, you did not state he was moved off the planet, you did not move him off the planet, and you cannot have him magically disappear.

That is precisely where you are wrong.

Abregado-rae is an Imperial planet. I will not have you dictate what we can and cannot do on our own planet to us. TNO owns the world - we make decisions regarding it, its defences, its citizens, and so on.

Not you. Not Joren Arden. Not the GC.

Now. If you're actually going to try and play the "You didn't RP it so it didn't happen" card, then provide the following links:

The roleplay where you recieved command of your fleet.
The roleplay where the ships you are using were constructed.
The roleplay where the ships you are using were armed, supplied, and readied for battle.
The roleplay where you attained the exact locations of Abregado-rae's defences (or lack thereof).

Again, this is an Imperial world. We dictate what goes on with the planet, not you.

It is not my responsibility to do your homework for you. If you wish to attack a world, the least you do (under normal circumstances) is to check on the planet's defences. If you would have bothered to do that, you would have realized that the planet did not have any shield generators to speak of.

Your failure to do even the most rudimentary of preperations is no fault of mine.

He has a point Drayson. Shield generators don't just dissapear.

But, Drayson also has a point Mr. DeVries. I'm not aware of the time differental involved, but, if the Empire had wanted to move the shipyard it could be moved. If it was changed in his manifest and it has been a reasonable amount of time...

I think you screwed up.

Just a quick comment that popped into my head when I read Drayson's last post. Yes the bit about Citizens is true. So why is it that I am not allowed to control mine on my planet?

Because I'm not running around telling you how your citizens are acting. I'm simply telling you that several square kilometres of the planet were levelled, and that people are dead.

Irregardless of his point, there remains no rules as to the movement of assets outside of battle. Only realism. And that has been constantly flouted by numerous parties who think coming up with some bullshit halfcocked excuse is enough justification for something to be realistic enough.

And personally, your excuse that the planet is going to be counterattacked and thus he wouldn't have moved it is indicative of you simply trying to enforce your own strategic thinking upon someone else, much as others have accused Drayson of doing in the past. It also suggests you yourself trying to dictate his actions, which suggests to me hypocracy of the most prevailent kind around TRF.

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Yeah, what Lup said.

Only put the F-word in there a few times.

It also suggests you yourself trying to dictate his actions, which suggests to me hypocracy of the most prevailent kind around TRF.

No, I am trying to find a degree of realism in there. It has nothing to do with "dictation". If they say they captured a planet, and with thus had a shield generator that had been in there and had become an active part of the planet, it is only fair and realistic that it remainst here and with thus is fired upon when I return.

I am not trying to dictate anything, I'm trying to figure out what exacty is going on.

It is not my responsibility to do your homework for you.

Drayson, again, stop it with the hostilities, I'm not here to be your OOC enemy, I'm here to work this out.

Now beyond that point, I did my homework, however I didn't realize that such a leap of realism was allowed. Therefore, seeing that you captured a Gencore Shield Generator, I assumed that it would still be there out of sheer realism.

I was not informed otherwise.

So drop that issue.

If you wish to attack a world, the least you do (under normal circumstances) is to check on the planet's defences.

Again, see above.

If you would have bothered to do that, you would have realized that the planet did not have any shield generators to speak of.

Again, see above. I have never heard of it being possible to completely transport a shield generator off of a planet, therefore the thought never occured to me.

Your failure to do even the most rudimentary of preperations is no fault of mine.

Please, cease the snide and pointless comments and jabs. I am not here to fight with you Drayson, so get that mentality out of your head.

However, if there is no shield generator, then I fired upon where it used to be, not a civilian target instead. That's you trying to dictate my actions.

Now. If you're actually going to try and play the "You didn't RP it so it didn't happen" card, then provide the following links:

The roleplay where you recieved command of your fleet.
The roleplay where the ships you are using were constructed.
The roleplay where the ships you are using were armed, supplied, and readied for battle.
The roleplay where you attained the exact locations of Abregado-rae's defences (or lack thereof).

Again, this is an Imperial world. We dictate what goes on with the planet, not you.

There is a huge difference between moving a playable character from point A to point B secretly without informing anyone simply because the planet he was captured and held on was attacked, and getting command of a fleet.

You are trying to say that you "fortunatley moved him just in time", lucky coincidence.

You did nothing of the sort, you're trying to keep him from being rescued by saying "Ope you just missed him". That doesn't work.