Send them back!

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I'll counter this piece by piece and then I am backing out, Drayson seems to have it rammed into her head that no other opinions can exist but her own. It's grown frightfully annoying. I should hope I am never forced into a fleeting RP situation with you, I would hate to see you jump on me because I moved a ship right when you wanted it to go left.

I give up. Kilam, you're ignoring the facts and running the same bullshit around in circles.

You are 100% and completely wrong. Because you obviously do not actually read my posts I won't waste my time typing out an elongated response to you in this, it's a practice in futility.

Hunting is unneccessary, therefor what reason remains for continuing it?

Go ahead, read my last post, you obviously didn't.

Hunters enjoy hunting - look at Kas' thread about hunting and how proud he was about it. Amusment, pure are simple.

You make the fallacious assumption that because he gets amused and enjoys himself while hunting that the only reason to hunt is for said amusement and enjoyment?

That's a grossly inaccurate assumption about all forms of life.

Let's have an example...

A pilot flies for the United States military. While serving in the Persian Gulf he goes on an operation that results in the destruction of a facility that holds several tanks that were to be used for an assault on American forces.

He is proud of this accomplishment and goes back to his base/carrier and has a party over it. Did he go on that operation solely for the purpose of enjoying the feeling of it? Does that mean he went on it specifically to kill people, or did he do it to stop those tanks from moving? Though he was proud of accompishing his goal was he necessarily proud of taking human life?

You are assuming that because one feeling goes hand in hand with a certain situation then those two are constantly and irrefuteable linked and therein lies one of the largest flaws in your arguement.

I've been here longer that Dolash.

Are you certain? Are you not the same person who came here with the Galactic Defense Initiative? Supreme Commander Isstal? While looking though the archives it would seem to me that Dolash has been posting here longer than that. If I am mistaken my apologies.

There are several here who are far less competant writers than yourself, and probably are not as intelligent, but have indeed been here longer.

What you are saying is that because you feel you have been here longer than any person your claim somehow has more validity than anothers'.

While your credibility may be higher, or lower based on your previous actions, the fact remains that the validities do not vary.

But again, your taking things out of context. People who have been here know something about the rules and how TRF works - you try and completely disregard that when they comment.

You are absolutely and 100% right. I disregard pasts, presents, and futures, I disregard everything in the context of a discussion except your statements.

And that's why I addressed the issue here. You are looking at Kas's past and not his point.

I don't care if you are Omnae, Damalis, you, or Lupercus or even Joren Arden or President Griff, you are just one person making one claim. Your past actions, your credibility mean nothing if that claim is false and that is the only thing I will refute.

I won't refute my past with you, I'll refute your statement.

Everything else you said was just rewording what you've said already.

Bhindi Drayson

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Drayson seems to have it rammed into her head that no other opinions can exist but her own. It's grown frightfully annoying. I should hope I am never forced into a fleeting RP situation with you, I would hate to see you jump on me because I moved a ship right when you wanted it to go left.

Wow. Personal insults, unbased assumptions, and whining, all in one paragraph. Either you are simply not familiar with the concept of debate, or you choose to ignore it. First off, I never stated that you're not allowed to have an opinion. If I felt that way, I never would have bothered debating the issue. Secondly, yes, I happen to have opinions. Sorry that you don't approve because they don't conform to your own.

You are 100% and completely wrong. Because you obviously do not actually read my posts I won't waste my time typing out an elongated response to you in this, it's a practice in futility.

Or are you simply unable? You talk about not reading posts, but (see below) you continue to ignore points that you (can't?) rebut. Oh, and again with the personal insults.

Hunters enjoy hunting - look at Kas' thread about hunting and how proud he was about it. Amusment, pure are simple

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You seem to disagree that hunting is unneccessary. So, do me a favour. Walk down to your grocery store, and count every package of meat for sale. Hunting is not a neccessity. You can buy meat at a @#%$ store. I've pointed that out many times, and you've ignored it each time.

You make the fallacious assumption that because he gets amused and enjoys himself while hunting that the only reason to hunt is for said amusement and enjoyment?

Yes, it is an assumption. But Kas said he enjoys hunting (see above). Since hunting is, as I've said, not neccessary, what other reason is there to hunt?

Let's have an example...

A pilot flies for the United States military. While serving in the Persian Gulf he goes on an operation that results in the destruction of a facility that holds several tanks that were to be used for an assault on American forces.

He is proud of this accomplishment and goes back to his base/carrier and has a party over it. Did he go on that operation solely for the purpose of enjoying the feeling of it? Does that mean he went on it specifically to kill people, or did he do it to stop those tanks from moving? Though he was proud of accompishing his goal was he necessarily proud of taking human life?

Your example is completely taken out of context. Hunting is not ncessary. Protecting lives is neccessary. No, the pilot is not proud of killing. But it was neccessary for him to do, to protect his home, his kids, his wife, etc.

With hunting, Kas is proud to kill an animal even though it is not neccessary, he is not protecting himself, his home, or his family, and he can buy food at the store.

You are assuming that because one feeling goes hand in hand with a certain situation then those two are constantly and irrefuteable linked and therein lies one of the largest flaws in your arguement.

See above flaws in your example for explanation.

Are you certain? Are you not the same person who came here with the Galactic Defense Initiative? Supreme Commander Isstal? While looking though the archives it would seem to me that Dolash has been posting here longer than that. If I am mistaken my apologies.

Yes, I am certain. And I RPed at TGC before that, as well.

There are several here who are far less competant writers than yourself, and probably are not as intelligent, but have indeed been here longer.

What you are saying is that because you feel you have been here longer than any person your claim somehow has more validity than anothers'.

I never said that. I simply stated that I have been here a long time and I know how things work. And I certainly never claimed I had been here longer than "any person". Gash, Zark, Organa Solo, Simon, Hyfe... the list goes on. All have been here longer than I have, and (thusly) have a better understanding of how things work.

Why? They've seen not only the rules as they are posted, but as they are applied. It stands to reason that an older member of the board knows more about it than a newer member.

While your credibility may be higher, or lower based on your previous actions, the fact remains that the validities do not vary.

You are absolutely and 100% right. I disregard pasts, presents, and futures, I disregard everything in the context of a discussion except your statements.

And this is a good thing? By that logic, you'd disregard a staff member's status as a member of the staff in a thread where he made a ruling.

You may not like it, but the past does have a direct influence on the present. People who have been here longer know more about the operation of the board than new members. Your "disregarding" that fact doesn't change it.

And that's why I addressed the issue here. You are looking at Kas's past and not his point.

I don't care if you are Omnae, Damalis, you, or Lupercus or even Joren Arden or President Griff, you are just one person making one claim. Your past actions, your credibility mean nothing if that claim is false and that is the only thing I will refute.

I won't refute my past with you, I'll refute your statement.

Senselessness of that statement aside, I have only one thing to say.

Yeah.

Right.

Titus

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This thread has long deviated from its original topic, and is heading downhill at a rapid pace, regrettably.

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