The fact that there are actual recordings of nazi leaders openly discussing 'The final solution to the jewish question', a number of which were used to convict nazi war criminals, suggests anyone who says the it didn't happen are either ignorant, inbred or bigoted.

If claims made and reports recieved had been believed earlier, Hitler's march across Europe more then likely would have been intervened against more seriously long before he reached France.

Not true, mainly because a) America was a toothless bitch until about '41 and b) the actual 'extermination' didn't begin until Albert Speer became armaments minister in early '42. While they were being victimised from within weeks of hitlers ascent to power, it was barely more than what countries (then) called internal dissent, especially considering, as you've said, that most nations were already involved in their own types of repression against minorities.

But the ultimate tragedy about the holocaust is not how many people were enslaved or killed but merely the fact that it was preventable.

That kind of statement can only be made by people who have only been alive during the 'pax americana'. It wasn't preventable in any way shape or form, except through the destruction of the Nazi regime from within, and hitler made sure that wasn't possible.

OH, and one final thing.

The myth of Palestinian statehood.

Everyone bitches about Israels creation. THEY ARE THE ONLY RACE THAT HOLDS TRUE ENTITLEMENT TO THAT LAND.

Palestine was created, OMGWTF, at the same time as Israel. All the bleeding heart wankers at uni always wank on about palestinian sovereignty, which is insane because they have even less rights to sovereignty than Israel does.

But then again, if we go back that far, why shouldn't it be egyptian, or persian, or perhaps turkish? They all held it too, and just like the jews, got conquered eventually.

I was about to say, if we go back in time to when the Bible first mentions the Jews, and give them the land they lived on then as compensation, then they'd like, be living out of the Pyramids.

The pyramids were tombs. People didn't live in them.

That's right, Sam.

Come on, guys, we agreed not to say anything about that.

Yossarian

omnae pretty much has it. most of freshman year classics has slipped out of my brain but if you recall the biblical stories depicted in exodus, they do have an actual historical context. not in the sense of any parting of the red sea bullshit, but a hebrew state did emerge in the region at roughly that time.

The parting of the red sea can be explain simply by what happened last year. Their was a tsunami. The sea "backed up", or "parted", from the known shore, the jews, hebrews, made a mad dash for it, and when the egyptions tryed to cross the sea, they were hit by the tsunami. Simple as that.

Actually they've talked about a theory that is unique to that area of water where it does that regularly in a sense. Seasonal rains and droughts routinely reveal then cover up long stretches of sandbars that would have been more than enough for Moses and his people to cross but would have caused the soldiers to sink and flounder in the soft soil. Plus, as the theory says, it was all down to timing.

They've documented it happening and shown it on time lapsed camera. Of course the water level had dropped over time due to drought but to a group of people escaping and suddenly coming across a stretch of land where they had never seen one before it would be a miracle. But, on the film, it took only a period of a few hours for the water to rush back in and swallow that strip of land back up. The theory is that Moses and his people just happened to cross right before the water came pouring back in and caught it catching the Pharoh's army as they attempted to follow.

Jiro

The parting of the red sea can be explain simply by what happened last year. Their was a tsunami. The sea "backed up", or "parted", from the known shore, the jews, hebrews, made a mad dash for it, and when the egyptions tryed to cross the sea, they were hit by the tsunami. Simple as that.

The backing up is a fairly quick thing if memory serves. Also going away from shore isn't the same thing as parting.

yo, did you know sometimes you guys fixate on the dumbest part of a conversation.