If some guy is born with a desire for other guys, and he claims to be a Christian, I will expect him to contain himself.

By the way, Gash found this board and now so have I, it's a source of much amusement and tunnel vision propoganda.

http://p202.ezboard.com/brepublicanmight

Enjoy.

Can I debate Jekarinu?

No. That is not fair. I have studied American Politics for several years and have not lost a debate in any feild. Its to lopsided but you can debate other members of the board.

But luckily you don't expect the same of yourself. Because that would just be unfair.

So until you become a Christian, while I will explain my beliefs, and debate should you want it, I won't try un-gay you for religious reasons before I un-heathen you.

Fair play to you. So long as you're not shoving it down my throat, it's a-okay!

My dislike of homosexuality is directly tied to my religious beliefs. If you don't believe like I do, then it's going to be pretty hard for you to understand.

I equate it to this: I am cursed with a wandering eye. I think all guys know what I'm talking about; I'm forever 'checking out' the girls I see. Even though I am committed to abstinence until marriage, I still have to deal with the instincts I was born with. I have to constantly tell myself "Look at her eyes, burn you!".

If some guy is born with a desire for other guys, and he claims to be a Christian, I will expect him to contain himself. I even believe that God can remove that desire should the man ask. I do not, however, believe that people who are not Christians should be governed by my moral values. I will do my best to convert them, and then help them work on the problems they have in their life (be it addiction, vices, sex, etc).

I believe homosexuality is a sin, and is something to be dealt with. But it can only be dealt with if the person doing the sin knows (or claims to know) God. Otherwise, it's just wasted breath on my part.

So until you become a Christian, while I will explain my beliefs, and debate should you want it, I won't try un-gay you for religious reasons before I un-heathen you.

The exception to this would be, just for instance, if it popped up that having 'sex with multiple partners in a lot of kinky ways' (replace quoted words with whatever the topic of the moment is) aided in the spread of some deadly disease that kills hundreds of millions of innocent people per year...

Fair play to you. So long as you're not shoving it down my throat, it's a-okay!

Yeah, well, there's a problem there, y'know. There's conflict. The conflict being, that you want to convert people and once converted convince them not to be gay. Thus you don't want people to be gay, but you want them to be christian first before you work on the gay part. And if you (or the church, or a bunch of priests, or whatever group/individual you can name) feel that these are wrong soely on an idealogical basis, and want to change other peoples' beliefs so that they are 'right' in your beliefs, even if you believe your beliefs are right because they are confirmed by what you believe to be a perfect source (God, Pope, whatever), there is a conflict.

It is not, I believe, right to push beliefs on others. You should not try to change people soely for their idealogical beliefs. If your only reason for not liking homosexuality is that your religion does not like it, and you are trying to change others to fit it, then that is (I can safely say) Unjust. Of course, if someones' beliefs come into a real and material conflict with you in some way (if someone believed it was ok to rip heads off of passer-byes, for example) then obviously you must either intervene or compromise.

Not sure if that's what you meant, though.