TRF Needs a Gandalf figure
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  • Posted On: Jul 15 2005 3:20pm
Gandalf, Yoda, Kreia - what purposes did they serve in their stories? they were wise, all-knowing figures who planned years in advance seemed in control of all events pertaining to their side of a conflict. To clarify what I mean, look at Gandalf. In the Lord of the Rings he seemed to be in effect the leader of those who resisted the various bad guys and their forces, and even when he wasn't directly in control he knew how to manipulate events to the conclusion he wanted.

Figures such as these serve in their stories as mysterious individuals who reveal only a little of their plans at a time. Often, these types of characters are the villains who have been working on various schemes for years and who have to be stopped at the last moment by the heroes, but some of the greatest stories revolve around battles between two such characters - two leaders of opposing forces (generally good and evil) who attempt to defeat the other through subtle manipulation and planning.

It seems that TRF lacks that sort of figure. We have, in a way, all the pieces to play chess but no players. I know of some who have come close to such positions of power - perhaps Gash Jiren and Daemon Hyfe count? - but there are certainly no such people now, no grand plotters.

I will say, though, that Omnae as a writer is much like this. His Fall of Simon Kaine idea is certainly well crafted. However, there are no characters who seem to hold such massive plots in their hands. No King pieces to direct the pawns and other pieces.

Even the history of Star Wars is all about dueling strategists - them being the different facets of the Force, fighting for dominance, because whichever side wins will have influence in some way over all life. If such a figure as I have tried to frame were to exist at TRF, they would probably be supporting one of these two sides in an effort to exterminate the other. The Jedi and Sith are in odd positions these days, in that they don't really control the board any more - secular interests, for once, are at the top of the heap.

Obviously there is little that can be done in this regard by us. If someone was wise enough to come up with such a grand scheme, they would have done it by now. However, it's something to think about.

P.S. Regrad and Simon, although pretty much the strongest figures on either side of the good/evil divide, are not kings. At best, I would say rooks - powerful pieces, but replaceable. Direct and cumbersome, for they move too straight to squeeze through tight defences on their own. Any pawn can become a new rook, and often there is another one waiting in the wings to take the other's place.
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  • Posted On: Jul 15 2005 3:29pm
What we need is a "Dolash Musings Forum"








Sorry. Kidding, Dolash.

Interesting idea, though.
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  • Posted On: Jul 15 2005 5:01pm
I wouldn't exactly call Yoda a Gandalf figure. He was not exactly a king and was played as thoroughly as a pawn. heh.
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  • Posted On: Jul 15 2005 6:56pm
Yeah, in the first three movies, but after Palpetine took over he was instrumental in the plan to defeat him - along with Obi-Wan, he was basically the keystone to the return of the Jedi.
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  • Posted On: Jul 15 2005 7:22pm
Who knows... perhaps one day, when enough has happened and reputation has been earned, a key figure could come to power and be pivotal in such devices.

Don't hold your breath, though. Since it's all well and good in scripts and set stories; but ulitmately doing the same in every day RP will be considerably harder, as not everyone wants some overlord altering their plots to his/her own choosing.
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  • Posted On: Jul 15 2005 8:27pm
That's the point, they have to be coerced and manipulated into it.
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  • Posted On: Jul 15 2005 8:53pm
Not only that , but, I suppose if they were that good, the way this game is played, you would never be sure if you were part of a grander scheme or not.

All the best plots are the unsung ones, the ones where if they happen, and happen correctly, noone's aware they were even a part of it.

So what makes you so sure there have been no grand plots or schemes in the past, and more to the point, that there are no grand plans or schemes happening right now?
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  • Posted On: Jul 15 2005 8:54pm
i like to think if my character told Nihilus to bend over he would do it without question.

basically saying that orders go without question of authority. the leader(s) of every faction should be the end-all-be-all of the galaxy... as far as the group members should know (IC).

i think it'd be pretty cool to have the members of a group rebel against itself. heh.

i may have went off topic sorry. i just got home from more drinking.
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  • Posted On: Jul 15 2005 9:01pm
If there are any schemes going on, they've only just started and must be building up very slowly and quietly, since I have yet to see anything that hints at great things to come. I somewhat doubt there are any such schemes, and if there are, then they seem to lack a figure as I tried to describe.

As for the leaders thing, I don't think you get my meaning. I am not saying that there should be someone in charge of all the lightside, and someone in charge of all the darkside, more saying it would be interesting if someone came to direct one side or the other, wether through subtle manipulation or open actions.
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  • Posted On: Jul 15 2005 9:26pm
i wasnt directing the post towards the Lightsideish/Darksidish sort, but if were going on that then lets...

i would think that its already been done...

for the Jedi it would be the Republic(TGC), Sith it would be the Empire(TNO).

if someone was to have a character influence the Republic(Jedi) to do some stupid shit im sure it would be done. The same would go for the Sith, and since the Sith have a more secret part in the galaxy im almost certain that influence from all sides would be seen and taken into account.

im pretty sure your intent was on a more larger scale then mine... so i should just shut the fuck up.

but if you'd care to be more broader with your idea it would help. i mean after alot of drugs and alcohol im not all in the head, if you know what i mean.