Listen, odds are there are no Noghri on the planet. The Noghri long ago left the world according to the books, only a small community remained of those exhiled for various reasons. It barely registers as an inhabitation. Odds are we'd have a list of the planets' entire population even. I really don't think you'll find any. Even on the off chance that some decide they'd like to stay behind even after what the Black Dragon Empire is like has been explained to them, I don't think we'd be allowed to leave them behind. If there was going to be a volcano explosion on an Island some where and some natives refused to leave their homes, what would we do? Drag 'em out, obviously.

The same applies here.

Even so, there are still those who don't wish to leave their homeworld. Pompeii in ancient Greece was wiped out by a volcano, but its natives still remained there all the same despite the warnings and the forced evacuation.

Some just are stubborn that way.

The same applies here.

I thought the greeks at Pompeii were caught unawares by the wave of lava?

I would love to see you try to drag away some Noghri warriors dedicated to defending their homeland at any cost.

There's also the reproduction factor. Heh... it's been a while since the OT... and since the Noghri are somewhat cat-like... perhaps they reproduce in litters.

I somehow doubt their population has grown much. Plus, they live on a pretty harsh planet, doesn't encourage growth. And any Noghri warriors would have joined the Noghri State Military (kind of a joke really, since the state is so small) and thus would have been honour-bound and legally-bound to accept the evacuation orders.

Ah, but there was one area of their planet that was not harsh. Plus, at the time of about the Camaas issue, NR techs were helping to restore the rest of the planet.

To avoid argument, lets just say they were able to evac 40-50% of the population, the rest stayed...

Ok, so because arguing is no fun, me and Gue agreed over AIM to ask for a staff ruling.

My case for removing the whole population of Honoghr is that the planet is still mostly uninhabitable and the population is tiny, consisting mostly of the recent descendants of dregs of another Noghri society that were dumped there. Also, there is no logical reason why they would want to stay behind except for the unlikely possibility that they have grown attatched to their desolate, dead home over a generation or so of time and even if that happened, the Coalition is prepared to drag people kicking and screaming (we have the forces to do so, and the Noghri State Army) to get them off the planet and towards safety. We also have ample ships and transport.

Gue is free to state his case.

Since we skipped the fleet battle we're in no great hurry to figure out if all of the Noghri get off or not as we have time. It shouldn't really take more then a few minutes of thought to decide either way, and we're only asking because we can't really agree on it and it would save a lot of trouble for someone in a position of authority and thus not biased just to tell us what happens. Like a Dungeon Master.

My Argument:

<b>1.</b> Noghri Nature

-<b>(A)</b> As warriors, a people of honor and glory, I do not believe they would evacuate their people in lue of an evacuation. Rather they would prepare for it and embrace the coming storm.

-<b>(B)</b> A qoute if you will, from the song Cheerokee People... <i>"So proud to live, So proud to die"</i> Think about it, just think about it, and I think you will see why I posted it.

<b>2.</b> Noghri Ability

-<b>(A)</b> A forced evacuation would never work at the hands of GC officials. GC forces, while expirenced, are more expirenced in sitting and watching, or even fleeing, than they are in actual situations. I only say this, as is most often the case, the only survivors of engagements in which the GC shows in are those that flee.

-<b>(B)</b> As the above case shows, even if the weight of GC military strength were upon them, most obviously the Noghri people would have no problem repelling them from their aid, as a mission of aid typically does not use force. Even still, Noghri warriors are more adept than the average GC soilder in these things, as the GC Soilder is trained in peace, and the Noghri are trained under harsh conditions for war and death.

<b>3.</b> Logistics

-<b>(A)</b> There are quite the number of Noghri on the planets surface, spread out in quite the range, this gives rise to the question that, even with days warning, how could the GC assemble the many thousands of transports required to uplift even the willing Noghri from their habitats and move them elsewhere.

-<b>(B)</b> Let us remember how spread out across the galaxy the GC really is, and thus the prescedent to have thousands of unknown ships in one spot at any given moment, I say they would need to be there at that exact time for this following reason:

-<B>(C)</b> They would never make the travel time from the assembled GC worlds within the notice time they were given, even if indeed they had notice time at all. GC worlds are weeks apart at hyperspace velocity. Even close ones would never have the amount of ships required to transport a fraction of Noghri. All in all, my argument is neither the Noghri would want to leave, nor would the GC be able to make them or even get a good number of them elsewhere.


Though, I am willing to settle for 50%