Don't hyjack this thread with hypothetical questions.
Omega is trying to discuss with Dolash about the Kubindi thread.
The Union has made a concerted effort, by ICly and OOCly, to mainatin the veil or secrecy and mystery that surrounds the Union ICly.
IE Don't make random leaps of faith.
The Tammar and Kubindi threads are seperate. There is a war going on and I hardly see how a pair of rag-tag fleets could be the be the Coalition's biggest concern. Dont start connecting dots that are no way in line with each other.
To answer your question, Beff... it's all within reason. If you submit an R&D and then do a 500 word rp, then your tech gets an automatic approval and listed on the R&D list for your faction. At that point, it can be said that you were already building them or whatnot... As long as the numbers don't get out of hand, it's not really an issue.
First of all, if you want to put 500 words in a fleet rp, that's fine. But you do not then go retroactive with building the thing the same as one might with a story rp. The main reason being, it's not fair to your opponent.
What Dolash did was put a couple of 500 word rp's (thus finishing his rp submission for approval) but then went retroactive and said, in that same thread which is attacking a foe that he had several in his fleet. If we allowed that, then BDE could have simply (the next day) created an R&D previously unknown, put 500 words in their response post and suddenly say it was retroactive and these new R&D's were in the defending fleet.
We have to draw the line somewhere and I personally draw it between story rp's and fleet rp's...
If's he's using the war for new R&D 500 word rp's... that's fine. But they won't become active, reasonably, until after the war imo.
For example, Telan used the attack on Tynna as the requisite 500 word RP for the Astrus Star Destroyer. Since there was only one Astrus present in that battle (the prototype Astrus itself) that was legitimate...
Tir, I understand your concern, but to be honest you're leaving yourself open for these dots to be connected.
Any attack - especially an all-out military one - on the Coalition is something we would notice. Rag-tag or not, if fleets are attacking then it's going to be way up there in our concern list. Is it a Black Dragon ploy? Perhaps mercenaries? Maybe criminals are taking advantage of the war?
The thing is, you made no effort to explain either of your attacks to the Coalition. You didn't tell us who you were working for, who you are, what you are, or anything. That is very, very unusual and especially in wartime, so two such attacks would probably be filed together.
My connection stands - the current guess about these guys is that they are outlaws of some kind, mercenaries, or an illegal, none-government organization, possibly in the employ of the Dragons or possibly just attacking when they think us weak to plunder and pillage.
True BDE probably possess the same ships but why would they attack with no markings? We're quite clearly at war with BDE they don't need to pretend.
Instead we're faced by two seperate attacks by an unknown group. There are two options.
a)One group somehow managed to get a fuckload of ships with nobody knowing, no population base and no access to speccialized military technology to the best of my knowledge. Possession of such ships would of course be illegal in GC, TNO and BDE space but they managed to do it.
b)Or two groups managed to do all of the above.
Ockham once said that of two options the simplest was nearly always true. This became known as ockham's razor. This makes sense when you think about it. It is far more likely for us to miss one group based on one planet or one hidden base than two groups.
I find it laughable that anyone would describe the fleets we employed at both of those battles as "a fuckload of ships."
Compared to the sudden horde of ships the Coalition has had pop up they are rather paltry.
Also, ISDs and Mon Calimari vessels aren't amazing specimens in this galaxy anymore. To say that to have an ISD is quite a feat is a total misunderstanding of the galactic scene.
I think the point Thrax and I am trying to make is that you can sit back and see the big picture OOCly. However, were this a real conflict, the connection you are making is much too subtle to suddenly become a hard fact. The GC is fightin over half a dozen battles, and yes, while there are similarities between the two battles (no annoucned intentions) the make-up of the fleets is totally different. No markings or transpoders link the ships.
Having a "sudden realization" in the midst of the war that the attacks are related is Bullshit. After the conlict is over... and you look back on it, perhaps the things will make more sense. But simply two attacks by non-Dameun technology shouldn't tell you anything.
Or maybe my view of "common sense" that is supposed to be governing TRF isn't shared by some others here (and it wouldn't surprise me.)
I'm guessing it wouldn't be a matter of hours - a couple days, or so. Also a couple days after the missile attack. This is based on... nothing at all. I just thought it was a reasonable estimate.
Also, Tir, it has been described in the past that a single Star Destroyer could drain a planets' resources to maintain. A government, that collects taxes and has many worlds and has many citizens whom it can call upon to crew and build such ships, sure, could probably afford a fleet. Most do. The Coalition has a warfleet of vessels because it has government-run foundaries and government-owned sources of resources. It gets its' crew through enlistment on the grounds of patriotism, public service, ethical cause, or free education - the point is that governments are practically expected to have warships.
Thus, if someone has scrounged together enough ships not just to raid a convoy or kidnap a trade vessel, but to full-out-assault a planet, they must have serious resources, incentives for their men, the works. It's seriously unlikely that two entirely different organizations we've never heard of have launched fleets at the same time to attack us.
It probably isn't the Empire - they use brand-new Star Destroyers, and are generally very proud of declaring who they are and what they're about to do. It also can't be the Black Dragons directly, since they use a lot of their own special ships. We're at war with the Black Dragons, however, and in war people often hire mercenaries or some such thing.
So what happens? Kubindi is under attack, the commander looks out and sees some ships that don't have anything to denote alliegance. He remembers a little while back the same thing happened at Tammar. Thus, he reasons, it's probably the same guys.
Is it really that big a deal? It's not like it'll influence the outcome and it doesn't give us any new information.
It's not like he said 'EGADS! It's the Union!' Hell, it could be a number of Pirate Organizations. But if we go under the concept of these attacks coming in short succession, then I feel a line would be drawn.
If you scattered it out by a larger span of time, then yeah, I feel there would be no line and it'd be viewed as pirates taking advantage of the war and arranging large raiding fleets in hopes of getting plunder.
