YOU STUPID BASTARDS, WHY I OUGHTA-

Um, nevermind. Just this:

And there was their well-known leader, Ariel Trinity.

Ariel Trinity is not a well-known commander by any stretch. She is an Imperial Observer, and ranked only as a Line-Captain in official terms. She doesn't get credit for her successes outside of very small circles - certainly nothing the GC would know about. Just an fyi, really.

Also;

The Verpine were communicating technical status of their position and weaponry to the Coalition Fleet. If it was needed, these two forces would be coordinated in their attack.

As I've already said, you don't hold Roche and as such do not have the unilateral ability to say what the Verpine will and will not do - that extends to having them fight. As we're not playing with OOC assets anymore it's not a big deal, but in terms of fairness I wouldn't expect them to fight. I would imagine their own sense of self-preservation would lead them to sit out of the fight and side with whoever won the battle.

*shrug*

Just my thoughts. I'm not planning to use the Verpine forces against you - therefor my proposal is that IC they simply watch to see who emerges the victor.

Ah, sorry about the Trinity thing. I'll change that.

As to the ability to dictate the Verpine's actions, you're right that we don't have the power to make them do whatever we want, since they are still somewhat non-coalitionish (even if they do consider themselves now full members of the Coalition.) We do, however, have the power to make them do what they would do realistically.

The Verpine are not the cold, observing type. They now consider themselves part of the Coalition, and they know what would happen to them were the Empire to win their system. So it is in their best interest to see the Coalition in control.

I will, however, remove the absolute statement that they "would be coordinated in their attack."

I see your standpoint. It does seem that the verpine fighting would throw a bit of a wrench in the system from a role-playing perspective, but I don't think that that should be allowed to be a determining factor in their actions. Maybe they will wait at least a little bit, to make sure that their influence is, indeed, needed.


EDIT: (I wrote the above before I read your post)

Very interesting, you seem to be trying to sway the Verpine to your side. You should know that they are a good-natured, well-informed, and friendly race. I certainly don't think you shoulden't try to sway them to your side, but know that it won't be too easy.

and they know what would happen to them were the Empire to win their system. So it is in their best interest to see the Coalition in control.

Do they? You confuse the movie Empire with TNO. If you take a look at TNO, there is no large-scale IC massacres of people or anything even really terribly evil that is seen by the general public. Most of our nasty stuff takes place behind the scenes, or behind the guise of "neccessary action".

The Empire of TRF are masters of propaganda, and many people see them as a rather nice group of people with the best interests for all at heart.

Certainly, you as the GC know we're really evil sadistic fucks, but that does not instantly mean that the verpine would know that.

Given that resisting the Empire means certain death, I would imagine they would be resistant to declaring loyalty to the Coalition. I think the mostly likely route they would take would be to declare neutrality and stick to it.

I certainly do not think you have the authority to say they consider themselves members of the GC - such would be foolish under fairness and for their own well being... with the Imperial propaganda machine, I think many people would consider the GC's ability to protect them nonexistant. Sure, you've reformed... but people remember Corellia et al. They haven't seen the new GC in action at all.

FYI, I was planning to have the Verpine eject the GC from their home and declare neutrality (to appease the Empire, largely).

The thing about your complaints, Demoes (As usual introduced with your unique mix of calm, measured compromise and polite, respectful language ) is that you have done a great deal to alienate (no pun intended) the Verpine from the very beginning.

Consider you appeared and simply annexed the Verpine, immeadietly stating any attempt to resist will be met with overwhelming force. You FIRED ON THEM. All of this happens while a Coalition delegation is present, one which promises a way out of this hazardous position they've found themselves thrust in through Coalition support.

For all your propaganda efforts, the evil-acts to cover-ups ratio has dipped in recent times, do you really think people see you as a nice, friendly group of folks looking out for the galaxy? The new Empire is seen as the heir to the old Empire, and we all know how well known their rep was. Not to mention the Verpine are very alieny, and probably have the sense to know that they won't be so welcome in amongst the Imperials - at the least, you're known for your racism, and on the outside looking in people can easily recognize it.

Also, there's the fact that the Verpine are a technologically advanced race that is generally fairly independant-minded (They'd have to be, living in an asteroid belt and fending off pirates), so if the sudden choice between the Empire and the Coalition had to be made, I'd expect they'd be well educated enough to know who would be more likely to care for their interests. Don't go saying they'd be oh so afraid of the Empire their boots would quake and they'd submit, the Coalition has proven just as strong and signing on is no suicide pact.

So yeah, if you don't think the Verpine should be aiding the Coalition, maybe you should stop giving them no alternative with your racism, shooting, threats, and terrifyingly cold and wrathful personalities. If that's too hard to change, consider that that might be why you have a mighty army and fleet in the first place - so you can take places without having to rely on your charm. If the Preemtive directive declaring you guys masters of the asteroid field isn't enough to piss them off, I don't know what is.

Also, quick P.S., was backspacing the whole 'YOU STUPID BASTARDS' too much work for you? If you want to insult us, at least have the decency to be direct about it and just slap it right up there, none of that 'nevermind' nonesense.

I think the whole bastards part was a joke dolash.

Maybe, but it's hard to tell with Demoes. Jokes don't always carry well over the net.

Dolash, give me five good examples of TNO doing evil nasty things on a large scale. As I said, TNO is a master at playing the propaganda game. All anyone within the Empire hears is how great the Empire is and how nice we are. GC broadcasts (for example) are banned, and as TNO controls the holonet, yes, that is possible. The last major report issued from the Empire was regarding Thisspiass, in which TNO was publically seen saving thousands of lives.

We do evil things, yeah, but we don't broadcast them. So public perception is not at all what you think it to be. Public perception of the Empire is in fact quite good - war on the home front (which, face it, is all your average citizen really cares about) has been all but non-existant in the last few years, and the last war was seen to be started by someone else.

Roche is entirely within TNO's sphere of influence, so the Verpine have been subject to the same sort of broadcasts that TNO citizens have.

All of that said, I'm not saying the Verpine are or should support the Empire. I am saying they should not and, imo, would not support the Coalition. The GC has not shown itself to be strong at all - their last war was a major disaster for them, and for all its reformation the new GC has not proven itself.

The alternative to joining the GC that I bring up is not to join the Empire. It is to declare neutrality - the Empire frankly does not give a rats ass whether the Verpine themselves support the Empire or not. The Empire would be fine if the Verpine were to declare themselves neutral and leave TNO be.

This might be a mission of peace and getting the VERPINE to join the GC for you. For TNO, this is 100% territorial. Roche could be uninhabited - we're only there to prevent the GC establishing a base.

I honestly believe that the Verpine would desire to appease the Empire than join the GC. They stand to gain nothing from making an enemy of the most powerful government in the galaxy. And seeing as how Roche is right in the middle of Imperial space, I find it unlikely they would rely on the GC for support.

Only my thoughts, of course.

The Empire is heir to the movies in that we have unflappable military arrogance but are a diverse people as any. Some peoples are subjugated ruthlessly while others are consumed in part and made into loyal Imperials. Racism - xenophobia, more precisely - is extent of course, but so it is in the Coalition. We have people who ARE holdouts for the old order and hate all non humans and then we have the new age that think as long as you can swear unyielding fealty to the Empire then come right in.

Demos, you cannot in equal measure proclaim yourselves a master of subtle propoganda and then say that populations know that resisting the Empire is certain death.

I'm not aware if you know how rediculous some of your "FYI" statements are, but there you go.

Demos is in err on that point - it is death to resist the Imperial military machine - not neccessarily for that of the civil population. As long as hostilities commence death is the everpresent companion of the soldier - but not a foregone conclusion. The moment that the conflict ends then the rebuilding ends.

A more apt statement would be that it is pointless to resist.