I'd be up for that.

:P

me too, someone write up some legal consent forms first

yes but my point is was that not for past ships pre-R&D and not for all ships built since? IE: Ships before this R&D could be upgraded, but ships would have to be built with it after, or not have it at all?

If I am reading you correctly Heir, you feel this R&D would apply separate 'build time' to install said R&D on ships built before R&D approval.

Then afterward, we either assume all ships come with it unless otherwise stated correct?


So, if all ships built henceforth from R&D approval already come pre-packaged with it, why is there a fit over Jan wasting shipyard time 'installing it'.


That seems to be the only waste here.




Could you find a link where we discussed upgrades so I could understand where you are coming from? (I am sure they exist somewhere)

From what I hazily remember about them is that they weren't automatically retroactive. They couldn't be because the "upgrade" made ship Mk II or something.


And perhaps, I think, that is where you are coming from.

Separate 'shipyard times' for upgrade on existing craft (prior R&D) which thus makes them a mk II version. And builds after R&D approval should have been termed "mk II" to show what had the system and what didn't correct?

But if Jan was going to make the upgrade on all his ships, then that would make everything mk II thus rendering the mk II designation moot (unless he captured ships from another faction).




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Yeah. What He ^ said...

If I am reading you correctly Heir, you feel this R&D would apply separate 'build time' to install said R&D on ships built before R&D approval.

Then afterward, we either assume all ships come with it unless otherwise stated correct?


So, if all ships built henceforth from R&D approval already come pre-packaged with it, why is there a fit over Jan wasting shipyard time 'installing it'.

No no no...


Whats always been the process has been that new technologies were R&D'd seperatly of the ships they were to be equiped on, then the ships could be R&D'd with them on them. Not retroactively applied to the ships before the R&D that did not have them.

Now, this R&D was approved, as I read it, so that all ships already built could be equiped with it, with build times to go with it. I do not see where as it says for all ships built after it. As such, we have ruled on many occasion that upgrades are against the rules, see above on how the system works.

So my point is, should not their R&D have been retroactive against all ships built at the point of the R&D not having said R&D equiped, and not used as a bypass to the no upgrade rules by all ships built after it?