First I want to state that I really don't want to do this thread and I wish I didn't have to and also I attempted to resolve this with Kyric civilly and out of the way without starting a massive OOC thread. But unfortunately Kyric refuses to read my PM or even discuss it with me so...
1)In Kyric's post he mentions that Bakura is a next to lifeless hunk of rock that BDE saved thanks to their being so gracious. The reason for it being lifeless involve the argument that an entire 8 km long ship crashed into the planet creating a nuclear winter type scenario.
However in my last post in the conflict concerning Bakura I clearly stated that this was not the case. This post can be read <a href=http://therebelfaction.com/forums/showthread.php?t=804>here.</a>
Now it is conceivable that the staff ruled that I couldn't save the planet as such so I read all of the OOC threads for the aforementioned thread. The staff did rule that I couldn't save the SSD as I originally attempted. But they never ruled nor did Kyric actually ever mention my final post in the afore-mentioned thread. The final OOC thread which revolves around the fate of the SSD can be found <a href=http://www.therebelfaction.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2595>here.</a>
Normally I would be quite content to not argue over stuff that occured a year past however Kyric is basically trying to falsify the history of TRF. That's like me saying that The New Republic never owned Coruscant and that it's always been the Empire's property, which would be wrong.
I tried verry hard for this not to happen and I normally wouldn't care except the entire morale of the population and the physical state of the world would be ridiculously different under Kyric's version of the events.
In my version:The planet was unfortunately handed over to BDE following a peace treaty that was mostly negotiated by GC leaders rather than ORS leaders. The people would retain at least some love for the BDE since the BDE caused the deaths of thousands of their brothers and sons when they fought with ORS (deaths caused by general fighting not the SSD crashing). They would also likely remain some loyalty to their previous government, ORS and its leaders i.e me.
In Kyric's version: The planet is a hellhole with no conceivable technology or life at all rather more of a barren dusty wasteland(like Mars with people on it). The citizens would hate ORS and everything to do with it because they fucked over their planet. Not that there would be many citizens left.
Those are entirely different results and they would affect the RP. Pacifying an industrial planet that is missing years of ORS rule and has likely been oppressed judging by BDE tactics in other planets vs. pacifying a dusthole that wants to slit the throats of everybody related to ORS.
Um since that is messing with the history of TRF no. That's like saying I own Biimissaari so no all my RPs will revolve around how TNO built a death star there and left it there. Its my planet I may do as I wish, so expect to see a death star in orbit around Bakura in my next post is that what you'd like?
Also at the time of the ending of the thread and for a while after it was still property of GC/ORS so then you're altering events that happened before you even took ownership of the planet. Certainly there could be a famine etc. etc. but they will have to have been caused by Farfalen and not by the SSD crashing into Bakura.
Edit: this is marth I forgot to log out of jan's account.
An SSD, Executor class, 17km of massive shop of doom, good.
When it began its head-first dive into the atmosphere, it had already suffered 35% damage, and for numbers sake, lets say that those hits disintigrated those portions of the ship, completely eliminating them from the equation.
35% * 17,000m = 5950m
Remaining SSD left = 11050m
Minding you, this is the front end of the ship, up till now, the main bits of damage having been done to its rear. Now then, your single post would assume that you did more damage to the ship than was done throught the entire thread.
Get Real
For a single post, I'll be generous, and say 5% of the ship remaining would become destroyed and doesn't matter to this anymore.
5% * 11050m = 552.5m
Remaining SSD left = 10497.5m
Now, the shield? I give it nothing. Maybe your familiar with how they test shields in the Star Wars universe, its not uncommon to see Star Destroyer shields callibrated by having the entire ship rest on its shield above the ground. Might not mean anything to you here, but that shows what the Shield does when under strain, it pushes. Not burns or melts or destroys, all it does is push. Equal forces, newtons law. The shield would be hit, buckle and collapse, if anything the ship would also collapse in on itself, decks buckling and falling in on themselves, but this would help more than hurt, cuasing the ship to become more a solid object than a ship.
Being its a ship, we will now declare 1/3rd of that to be empty space.
33% * 10497.5m = 3464.175m
Remaining SSD left = 7033.325m
Now, looking back on Earths own history, we can look to Siberia as a minor precedent in this situation, where a meteorite only 50-m wide struck a forest in 1908, decimating over 2000km of land. 2000KM for a 50M impact. I know your argument, it hit the sea. Let us look just off the Yucatan peninsula shall we? Under the water?
There you might find a 150km wide crater, formed by a 10km asteroid impact, only 3km more than the impact we have here. You say there are no deaths? This killed Dinosaurs, was a world impacting event, raising a layer of dust and mass into the air that blotted out the sun for hundreds of years. That was just an asteroid, think about added side effects of reactors blowing out, the radiation of many different weapons fire rich materials being thrown up into the atmosphere with that dust.
17km? Not 8km? I thought this was 8km and that the only ship larger was an Eclipse.
Didn't this ship run into the Death Star and not cause it to blow up?
If the ship suffered the damage of an Eclipse as shown and it really was 8km, you'd have nothing hit the ground as whatever was left would have exploded in the atmosphere (more than likely).
I did not realize that they build Star Destroyers, even super star destroyers on the ground.
*invests money in repulser-lift technology*
As for TRF history regarding the planet:
Jan: Is there any roleplay involving Bakura since the last war? If so, put the links down.
In any event, what I see here is that you are claiming the planet Bakura has so much damage it has no IC value anymore. Just a hulk of rock with wretched souls existing on it.
Which leaves one to wonder why it deserves even a defense but whatever.
You see the problem with the meteor argument is you forgot one important law of physics.
Speed is part of the equation.
The meteor builds up speed from years of effects from the forces of gravity and travels many many miles an hour. Don't know an exact figure, but it'd definitely be faster than the SD. Also, the SD would loose a lot in the atmosphere. You say it'd being 'compacted'. Technically yes, but that depends on how the SD comes down. If it comes down on the nose, then yeah a good chunk of what's left would hit and pretty dang fast.
BUT
If it came down and did a planetary belly-flop, then it'd be a far less of an impact. Why you say? A) It'd break up far more quickly and B) the wider surface area would cause it to loose a lot of speed.
And let's not forget the people inside not wanting to die. They'd probably be activating and form of thruster to lower their speed and come in on a less volitile angle.
b) My point is that if you wanted to argue over the damage to the planet you should've done it about a year ago. You can't go change shit just so it suits you.
c) Where the fuck are you going to get dust from an ocean impact? Dust is by definition dry. Oceans are by definition wet.
d) There are a crapload of precedents in EU of ships hitting shields and blowing up/disintegrating. Know obviously if the entire SSD hit the shield it wouldn't completely disintegrate.
e) As Irtar pointed out. The SSD wasn't being powered down into the shield. It's orbit was slowly disintegrating. So it would probably scrape along the shield for a bit.
f) I don't see the SSD being compacted. Wind resistance would rip apart the ship anywhere there was a hole. Same with friction wouldn't just burn the armour it would burn places where there was no armour and thus weaker.
g)Your argument that since it took a really long time for the SSD to get 35% damage I could only do 5% damage in one post. That doesn't work because I was the only poster left in system so my post took longer than normal posts because who else was going to post? Most posts are a minute or two. That was true throughout the thread. But this one was longer because it would take more than a minute or two for the ship to hit the ground.
h)Your argument about the Reactor is moot since the place where you did all the destruction was the rear of the ship same place as the reactor and since you seem to think that you coud blow up a bunch of giant engines, I'm sure you blew the reactor off too.
Note: You did nearly your entire damage in one post taking the SSD's shields from 80% to 0% and pretty much destroying the ship. Granted you had that big ass missile but the point still stands.
Also: Thats a load of bull shit about seeing if an SSD shield's hold up on the ground.
Ships are built in orbital shipyards. The only instances of an SSD being on the ground was Lusankya and that was after the Imperials spent billions of dollars in building the biggest mother fucking repulsorlift thinger ever.
Once if I recall in the books they did that with the Millenium Falcon but that was supposed to be a quick and dirty test. Plus the Millenium Falcon is like 30 m long versus 8000m.
