A Poll (To Settle a Dispute)
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  • Posted On: Jul 6 2004 2:38am
In my opinion the IC standing on this is about even for both Brutus and Dolash. Brutus has done a decent job at setting up his RP, good job.

I'm voting for Dolash. While the Liberty Sect may get people stirred up, the global and local governments of Anoat should be capable of seeing right through them. IMO the government of Anoat wouldn't bend immediately simply because a fringe organization got some of the populace into a frenzy. They would also be able to see that at this point, Anoat is very venerable. They need the money that is coming in from the NGC to help repair their war-torn planet. Splitting off would mean the deaths of hundreds of thousands on their planet. So even though the people may want a split, sometimes what the people want isn't the best for them.

I also see the rally's going away in a few days. People will get bored, and drop their picket signs, it takes a heck of a lot of motivational speaking to keep millions of people on the streets in protest for longer than a day or so.
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  • Posted On: Jul 6 2004 3:52am
Dolash: 1

Brutus: 0
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  • Posted On: Jul 6 2004 2:21pm
Then again, Anoat can split off and sign a pact with the Black Dragon Empire. The Imperium can then rebuild their assets, set up a shipyard, an outpost, rebuild their economy and the Liberty Sect can become the ruling party over their people, while the Imperium upholds security and order.

That being the case, it would be beneficial to Brutus and the BDE.

If that is agreed, then I cast my vote for Brutus.
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  • Posted On: Jul 6 2004 2:26pm
I think the vote is about what would really happen on this planet.

Would this Liberty Sect be capable of inciting a revolution, and holding it together long enough to overthrow an entire planetary government, and then sign the planet over to BDE?
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  • Posted On: Jul 6 2004 3:27pm
Heh @ Grevious.


This vote is just to see what happens to the planet based on what already has happened. Not on what can or may happen in the future.

I need to read those threads involved carefully before coming to a decision.
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  • Posted On: Jul 7 2004 6:55pm
Well seeing as I haven't read the threads, and don't have time, I can't cast a very good vote, and won't vote, but obviously I would have voted for GC. However, I think that members of GC and the Union shouldn't be able to vote, because we will obviously vote to whatever side we support.

Anyway, to Grevious' comment, that isn't an option at the moment, because right now the people probably don't even care about BDE, and BDE doesn't really have a reason to care about Anoat (I think). I doubt that the Liberty Sect would be able to get the government to leave the Coalition, although the might be able to convince some citizens, and maybe a few government people, they couldn't convince enough. What I suggest happens, assuming GC wins this poll, and what sounds reasonable to me, is that the Liberty Sect forms a political party, and then they can try to convince people during the next planetary election. Their platform would probably be mostly on sovereignty for the planet. And they would still have some contacts and elements of the party connected with the GLF and other fringe organizations.
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  • Posted On: Jul 7 2004 8:41pm
I too must insist that Grievious not vote based on wether they would then later join you or not. Thats' definetly tipping the polls unfairly, as it is supposed to reflect the opinions of people on wether a planet would want to leave the Coalition or not, and that alone.
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  • Posted On: Jul 7 2004 10:17pm
You noticed I had not updated the score (still at 1 to 0), therefore noting counting his vote- as much as do appreciate his support.

Anyway, we're awaiting more voters.....
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  • Posted On: Jul 12 2004 7:22pm
Well this still sits at:

Dolash:1
Brutus:0

I assume everyone is reading the appropriate threads, and making an opinion :p

Because a 1-0 poll is really kind of sad...
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  • Posted On: Jul 12 2004 10:03pm
In reading the threads over I come to the conclusion that GC should hold onto Anoat for now.

Brutus does make a very good case for there to be a Liberty Sect on the planet (that's alive and well) trying to make a case for independence from the Coalition. But based on what has happened:



1. Initial calls for independence would gain members, perhaps enough to picket. But it would not be representative of the entire planet imo.

We can have a march on Washington today for the US to pull out of the UN but that does not mean the US will pull out or would even be close to pulling out.

2. The IC public link of GLF and Liberty Sect would actually weaken the foundation of Liberty Sect's claims and any corporate sponsorship or public opinion (on Anoat) that originally wanted to be associated with Liberty Sect's popular independence from GC movement would dry up.

3. Anoat already has an independent government. Those elected officials have decided to be a part of the GC (thus gaining the benefits of the organization).

The people themselves do not make these planetwide affecting decisions. The persons they elect do. All the march has done is "show" the elected officials that a bunch of people would like independence from GC. In any event, I do not believe a single holonet broadcast would "sway" anyone but extremist on Anoat to begin with.

For the people to effect this change (right now), they would all need to arm against their own elected government and the issue cannot be the pressing issue Brutus would like to think because the GC is actually helping them.

It's like you say they want to take up arms to kill their leaders if they don't stop accepting bread from an interested 3rd party.

The elected officials can be voted out of office or have their palms greased by the Liberty Sect to set about changes that would eventually see the planet pulled out of the Coalition. But since that has not been set up, it doesn't look like that would happen anytime soon.


Independence from oppression is one thing. Independence for the sake of pride is something else altogether and I think the people would be able to tell the difference.


What Brutus should have done to effect this is to get an official elected within the higher level of government on Anoat. That is where the decision to remain in the GC or not would be made.

I think Belgardi, in his haste, jumped the gun.