The Roche thread needs a staff decision, badly.
It began as a takeover by Milkshake of the unclaimed Roche asteroides and the Verpine who live there. Then, Drayson felt it was strategic and intervened with a military force. I intervened with an even larger military force, and we've now both been stuck in negotiations since then trying to get the Verpine's support.
The problem is, the Verpine aren't actually 'played' by anyone. That means that the only way we can find out which side they'll take is for the writers involved to come to an agreement. Drayson would argue that night is day and black is white if he thought it would give him an advantage, and he'd do so with the upmost contempt and condecension for those who differ, so our PM arguments have gone nowhere. That leaves us with the option of asking for staff to arbitrate.
His argument that the Verpine would stay neutral is simple - he threatens the Verpine with war. There's some vague insinuations about us being bad guys, but the main crux of his argument is just that he's told the Verpine that joining the Coalition will result in Imperial invasion.
My argument, however, builds on this. They know for a fact that the Empire are evil - so far, the Empire's tried to annex their lands and fired on them, and only changed their tune to 'stay neutral' after a Coalition fleet arrived that outclassed him. Their only negotiator is the same military officer who presided over the firing on the asteroides - he hardly has much leeway. Milkshake and I have appealed instead to them to join despite this danger, offering the protection of the Coalition and asking them to remember those in their past who'd joined the rebellion. A call to face this danger for the greater good, and so forth.
My main reason for believing this will succeed is that the Verpine already knew that the Empire is a big, dangerous warmachine - everyone knows it. People in the Coalition know it. And yet people still stand against it, even with all the dangers. Drayson has stated to me that joining the Coalition is logically suicide, and thus the Verpine won't do it, but is it even half as dangerous as joining a fledgling rebellion at a time when the Empire controls the whole galaxy? Verpine joined then, and the Verpine might join again. Milkshake and I are providing a new motivation, a new reason for them to take up the cause, wheras if anything Drayson's presence would just stand as a reminder of what they already knew - about how wrong the Empire is and the need to bring it down. He provided no rebutt to the moral arguments nor incentive beyond his normal threats, in fact, if he wasn't there, our argument to join would be identical except we wouldn't have a graphic example right outside.
Anyways, we need a judgement, since Drayson flatly insists it is illogical to stand against the might of the Empire and thus no one would do it, wheras Milkshake and I have made a case to appeal to what they know is right and resist.
It began as a takeover by Milkshake of the unclaimed Roche asteroides and the Verpine who live there. Then, Drayson felt it was strategic and intervened with a military force. I intervened with an even larger military force, and we've now both been stuck in negotiations since then trying to get the Verpine's support.
The problem is, the Verpine aren't actually 'played' by anyone. That means that the only way we can find out which side they'll take is for the writers involved to come to an agreement. Drayson would argue that night is day and black is white if he thought it would give him an advantage, and he'd do so with the upmost contempt and condecension for those who differ, so our PM arguments have gone nowhere. That leaves us with the option of asking for staff to arbitrate.
His argument that the Verpine would stay neutral is simple - he threatens the Verpine with war. There's some vague insinuations about us being bad guys, but the main crux of his argument is just that he's told the Verpine that joining the Coalition will result in Imperial invasion.
My argument, however, builds on this. They know for a fact that the Empire are evil - so far, the Empire's tried to annex their lands and fired on them, and only changed their tune to 'stay neutral' after a Coalition fleet arrived that outclassed him. Their only negotiator is the same military officer who presided over the firing on the asteroides - he hardly has much leeway. Milkshake and I have appealed instead to them to join despite this danger, offering the protection of the Coalition and asking them to remember those in their past who'd joined the rebellion. A call to face this danger for the greater good, and so forth.
My main reason for believing this will succeed is that the Verpine already knew that the Empire is a big, dangerous warmachine - everyone knows it. People in the Coalition know it. And yet people still stand against it, even with all the dangers. Drayson has stated to me that joining the Coalition is logically suicide, and thus the Verpine won't do it, but is it even half as dangerous as joining a fledgling rebellion at a time when the Empire controls the whole galaxy? Verpine joined then, and the Verpine might join again. Milkshake and I are providing a new motivation, a new reason for them to take up the cause, wheras if anything Drayson's presence would just stand as a reminder of what they already knew - about how wrong the Empire is and the need to bring it down. He provided no rebutt to the moral arguments nor incentive beyond his normal threats, in fact, if he wasn't there, our argument to join would be identical except we wouldn't have a graphic example right outside.
Anyways, we need a judgement, since Drayson flatly insists it is illogical to stand against the might of the Empire and thus no one would do it, wheras Milkshake and I have made a case to appeal to what they know is right and resist.
