New with Questions
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  • Posted On: Dec 2 2005 3:46am
I'm around too, but I'm not exactly a member. But I'm a Jedi for sure at the moment, albeit an unstable one.
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  • Posted On: Dec 3 2005 5:16am
I don't believe there was a council on Otah Gunga. The Sith attacked the gungan city and destroyed it, but the Jedi were - and are - located in Theed. Now, they did suffer a major defeat... but they weren't wiped out.



About this time travel business... there's just something about someone leaping over 4000 years into the future that irks me. Creativity is important, yes... but there are limits.

Your character is only a youngling, an apprentice. Accidents happen, but I don't see how he is powerful to launch himself into the future, even when he wasn't intending to.

Now, if you can find some canon evidence of "time travel" or can explain in some way why and how he was zapped to the future, then that would help greatly. And no, carrying a flux capacitor in your pocket doesn't count. ;)

The taking on a few dozen Jedi with a training sabre is a bit overpowered, but it does add to the story and adds to the character, I think. But remember... mistakes have consequences. Not everyone will be happy about some crazy-man from the past chopping at their fellow Jedi.

Do you think you could address those issues for me?

And welcome to TRF.
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  • Posted On: Dec 3 2005 5:37am
Yep yep. Kevinsanya's story is filled with action and consequence. Made even more so with the time travel element in which he is faced with the ability to save his own friends time and again. But at what cost to the galaxy? Will he save his loved ones? Or let them die for the greater good? Which side is he on since he can't afford to take sides? etc etc. complex story stuff then there's also the matter of the future always moving. So what happens to the alternate futures that the Jedi see in their visions? Is this site not also an alternate future? All this and more will be explored in Kevinsanya's story.

If you want some comparisons with 'things that irk' explain to me how Anakin Skywalker was conceived by the midi-chlorians. Kevinsanya's 'time-jump' is a similar freak Force occurance.
Look to the char profile for info and theories on how this may have happened.

(gtg, be back to finish this post ltr)
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  • Posted On: Dec 3 2005 5:42am
....Anakin Skywalker was made by Sidious' lord. He used the force to create the life that was Anakin. Or so is the conclusion drawn from my family.
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  • Posted On: Dec 3 2005 12:39pm
A possible explaination for the time jumping thing, one that 'should' be realistic enough for you and exceptable for the senior ranking members.

Currently there's a lot of things 'wrong' with the Force, terribly wrong things that my character Trazu is currently helping Jedi Knight Dolash try to figure out what is going on (Read the Thread 'One Step at a Time' in Battlegrounds). The Time traveling thing could be, as you said, a freak occurance as a result of the damage being done to the Force itself. There's a rather powerful some 'thing' that was just able to crossover to this universe because of this damage, which has caused a tear in the bounderies between dimentions. With that possible, it could be possible that a tear in the time continuem had occured

If you go with this explanation, the question will be if your character will retain this time travelling ability once the Force has been 'repaired' (though currently it remains to be seen if it can be repaired). Personally, I would have the ability fade away as the Force repaired itself.

This is just a suggestion BTW, one that takes advantage of a current storyline.

As for the Anakin thing, some have susgested that Shimi was raped and just didn't want to talk about who Anakin's father was when Quin asked her.
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  • Posted On: Dec 3 2005 1:45pm
Interesting theories. And thanks for the suggestion Slaskia, that is very close to another part of the story.

Alrighty, cannon examples of time-travel.
Needless to say but I'll say it anyway. The Jedi visions of the future. Luke gets them (in ep5 while training under Yoda), Anakin gets them (in ep3, he sees an alternate future), even Yoda gets them and can even call for them at will ("Will they die?" ".....Difficult to see.") and during an encounter with the Dathomir witches he foresaw Luke arriving there in the future and made certain that Luke would find a cache of Jedi related information. Numerous other Jedi, and even none-Jedi (the Icarii wisewoman Selestrina for example) get them throughout the cannon books and comics.
Interactive time traveling was done by Luke in the cave on Dagobah. The first was in ep5 when he faces a possible future version of himself dressed as Darth Vader (and you can't say that was a vision because he actively interacted with it. Such as he cut of it's head). The second time he traveled was during the Thrawn saga when he revisited it. It showed a possible past where Mara Jade could have easily killed him by intercepting his lightsaber while on Jabba's Sail barge (an alternate past).
And now for the coup de grace. Actual time traveling.
Drum role.
Jacen Solo time traveled both back and forward through time during the problem between the Killiks and the Chiss. He had discovered the ship that his friend Reynar and two dark Jedi had used during the attack on the Yuuzhan Vong where Anakin Solo was killed. He had entered the ship and had consciously followed the flow of the Force back through time to when the ship crash landed, from which he learned that all the ship's occupants had survived. Jacen had physically gone back in time because; one, Reynar had seen him watching them, and two, he had gotten burnt from the ship's flames.
Jacen had also gone into the future at the same location to give a message type vision to his mother when she crossed the same path further on in the story. He had physically appeared to her and told her where he was being taken. (Dark Nest 1: The Joiner King, chp 8, pg78-89)

As for your belief in this occurance. Need I remind the council that the Force is in essence (a motif followed by a few Force using groups) a being on it's own. Given birth from the energies of all living things. Everything is bent to its will. Anakin was created by its will (I apologise but I don't support the theory that Sidious created him) and also fell due to the prophesy created by a being who foresaw it in the force. Zonama Sekot is an entire planet given a mind of its own by the Force can you believe that?
Enough of the cannon examples?

As for why and how.
All those you are aware of a Republic Jedi named Quinlan Vos raise your hand. (raises hand). Vos was a Kiffar (like Kevinsanya) and certain Kiffar posses the ability to read images off objects. Basically seeing what had happened to this object in the past, or sometimes future.
Kevinsanya possessed this ability. Couple this with an unusually high midi-cholrian count. Vast knowledge in the abilities of the Force. The youthful tendency to over-do something and also to show off. The Force plus a destiny to acheive. Then you get your reasons for the random time travel.
As for how, you tell me the official version of how Anakin Skywalker was conceived by the Force and how Zonama Sekot became self aware then I'll tell you how.
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  • Posted On: Dec 3 2005 4:09pm
Interactive time traveling was done by Luke in the cave on Dagobah. The first was in ep5 when he faces a possible future version of himself dressed as Darth Vader (and you can't say that was a vision because he actively interacted with it. Such as he cut of it's head).


I think thats just down to interpretation. I have watched that film hundreds of times, and I have never once thought he was ever time travelling.

I think (IMO) it was closer to a vision or anything else. I mean it wasn't real, it was an example of what could be.

As for him interacting with it, I'm sure you've interacted within your dreams too?

As for the rest I've never read any Star wars books ever, so I couldn't comment.
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  • Posted On: Dec 3 2005 4:59pm
*concurs with Zim*

I believe what Luke saw was an illusion formed by the dark side (correct me if I am wrong, but I believe yoda purposely put his home close to an area that was particularly strongly embued with the dark side. Thus why he was able to remain hidden from Sidious and Vader), only this illusion was more like what you get when you have what's called a 'lucid dream'. Lucid dreams are dreams that feel so real that you can be fooled into thinking it had actually happened if you are not careful. In other words, the Force manifested a very real feeling dark version of Luke to confront. Why could be left up to interpetation: IMO it was foreshadowing the revelation that Darth Vadar is his father.

Beyond that, I can't really comment either, as I've read very few of the SW books.
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  • Posted On: Dec 3 2005 11:01pm
Jacen Solo time traveled both back and forward through time during the problem between the Killiks and the Chiss.


Actually, he didn't. Jacen did not, literally speaking, travel time. Rather, he did read a possible future. In reading the possible future, Jacen Solo aided in the manifestation of this future (supposedly).

There are any number of reasons this example does not apply here.

Jacen Solo is Jacen Solo. He is not some Padawan from an era long forgotton, nor is he some minor player. Jacen Solo was trained by Luke Skywalker. Jacen Solo exists in a time-line that does not exist here at TRF. Jacen Solo is a published character and a trademark of Lucasarts.

And those are just a few.

My suggestion is that you simply come to terms with the fact that your proposed idea of time-jumping will not be openly accepted by the full membership of TRF.
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  • Posted On: Dec 3 2005 11:05pm
Another reason: The aforementioned event involving Jacen Solo is still in development. It is an incomplete idea that occured in one Novel and has been mentioned only twice so far. The final installment of the Dark Nest may shed more light on the event, but I doubt it.

Troy Denning takes amazing liberties with the Force. Star by Star was a perfect example.

Using the Dark Nest series as a guideline on Force techniques is, in my opinion (IMO), pretty fucking stupid. I'd much sooner trust an EU writer like Mr. Zhan.

Good luck.