Er, yeah?
People will always want music, thusly there will always be a music industry. But if the current industry doesn't adapt, it will rapidly be outdated.
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Er, yeah?
People will always want music, thusly there will always be a music industry. But if the current industry doesn't adapt, it will rapidly be outdated.
All I'm saying is that music industry is not going to fail to make huge profits. Artists like Eminem, Brittney Spears, and Justin Timberlake will continue to be multi-millionaires as long as they're still popular. Record companies will continue to make money, mass amounts of money. Regardless of the status of downloading music off of the internet.
A PDA screen is about the size of your average novel.
The disadvantage to MP3 is getting shittily recorded, incomplete songs in a way which is sometimes imperfect, and often time-consuming. It can be difficult to locate entire albums, particularly by lesser known artists. Kazaa and its ilk are cumbersome, install bullshit on your computer, and are constantly at war with record companies.
Unless you're listening to one hundred percent pop or Christian Jesus music (which those oh-so-moral Christians don't seem to have a problem making available for you to steal) locating songs can be a problem.
There is something to be said for a full package. People who actually like music (as opposed to people who swallow whatever cock MTV gives them to swallow, don't investigate the music industry themselves, don't ask questions and don't know anything about musicianship) buy CDs because it's an accepted, elegant medium. Records are still selling. The industry will not die.
The disadvantage to MP3 is getting shittily recorded, incomplete songs in a way which is sometimes imperfect, and often time-consuming. It can be difficult to locate entire albums, particularly by lesser known artists. Kazaa and its ilk are cumbersome, install bullshit on your computer, and are constantly at war with record companies.
Unless you're listening to one hundred percent pop or Christian Jesus music (which those oh-so-moral Christians don't seem to have a problem making available for you to steal) locating songs can be a problem.
There is something to be said for a full package. People who actually like music (as opposed to people who swallow whatever cock MTV gives them to swallow, don't investigate the music industry themselves, don't ask questions and don't know anything about musicianship) buy CDs because it's an accepted, elegant medium. Records are still selling. The industry will not die.
Which is a shame, because their rigid inflexibility combined with their strong-arm egotistical campaign against their future market should, and would in most other industries, kill off the ruling caste. However, said future market is incredibly stupid and does not realize this, and will continue to support anything created by Universal, including but not limited to, shitty music, shitty music, shitty tv shows, and shitty books.
And again, Kas, how is a company like KaZaA going to afford to be able to launch a massive, multi-million dollar advertising campaign? Certainly, you can buy the program - but you can also get the free version. Or KaZaALite. Or LimeWire.
The vast majority of users use the free versions of software, leaving much of their profit up to advertising.
It's like ezboard, and all the other free message boards. Despite the plethora of those available, boards like vB (which cost hundreds of dollars to set up), are still common.
Downloading music has been popular for five years. Virtually everyone with a computer and an internet cable knows it is possible to download free songs.
And yet people still buy records. And records still go multi-platinum.
Saying that downloading music is going to be the end of the Record Industry is like saying that airplanes will be the end of the shipping industry, or that cars will be the end of the bike industry.
The vast majority of users use the free versions of software, leaving much of their profit up to advertising.
It's like ezboard, and all the other free message boards. Despite the plethora of those available, boards like vB (which cost hundreds of dollars to set up), are still common.
Downloading music has been popular for five years. Virtually everyone with a computer and an internet cable knows it is possible to download free songs.
And yet people still buy records. And records still go multi-platinum.
Saying that downloading music is going to be the end of the Record Industry is like saying that airplanes will be the end of the shipping industry, or that cars will be the end of the bike industry.
After you go and re-read my points, starting from the beginning when this discussion started, then we can talk. Because right now you're addressing 'points' I have not made.
Translation: You're right. Go and reread my Godly words now, while I come up with a method with which to make this look like part of My Divine Plan.
I suppose I have to put it simple for you.
This discussion started with 'If downloading music via P2P became completely legal, would the music industry die?'. Your post said 'downloading music won't kill the industry.'
My whole argument is that if music downloading became legal, as you thought it had in Canada, it would kill the industry, because other industries would jump on the bandwagon to make a quick buck.
I'm not saying that downloading in general will kill the industry, just that if downloading was completely legalized, it would.
This discussion started with 'If downloading music via P2P became completely legal, would the music industry die?'. Your post said 'downloading music won't kill the industry.'
My whole argument is that if music downloading became legal, as you thought it had in Canada, it would kill the industry, because other industries would jump on the bandwagon to make a quick buck.
I'm not saying that downloading in general will kill the industry, just that if downloading was completely legalized, it would.
Yes, and when asked to explain how you went back to "it will kill the industry".
If downloading music were legal, and people "jumped on the bandwagon" to make money, than downloading music would cost money. As it is, Kas, you can already download music legally if you pay (see: iTunes, Napster, et al.)
The music industry is not dead. Nor is it any worse off than it has been.
People enjoy downloading music to sample songs by new artists and hear some stuff they never have. But if it comes down to buying ten songs on an album for $10 and burning it, or buying the actual CD for $14, a lot of people are going to buy to CD. They support the artist, they get the art and liner notes, and they get real CD quality.
Explain, Kas, how downloading music is going to kill the industry. You're just saying it will. You're not offering any ways as to HOW.
If downloading music were legal, and people "jumped on the bandwagon" to make money, than downloading music would cost money. As it is, Kas, you can already download music legally if you pay (see: iTunes, Napster, et al.)
The music industry is not dead. Nor is it any worse off than it has been.
People enjoy downloading music to sample songs by new artists and hear some stuff they never have. But if it comes down to buying ten songs on an album for $10 and burning it, or buying the actual CD for $14, a lot of people are going to buy to CD. They support the artist, they get the art and liner notes, and they get real CD quality.
Explain, Kas, how downloading music is going to kill the industry. You're just saying it will. You're not offering any ways as to HOW.
Hmm, the 'file-sharing debate' is an interesting one...
I gotta agree with most of what Theren's just said , I download MP3's yes, but I still buy albums, why?, because its nice to have the actual complete 'package' so to speak. However I just want to raise a few interesting points. (IMO, heh).
Personally, I think here it would help if you defined just what exactly is the 'Music Industry'.
Is it the Bands / musicians themselves? or the big Corporations that make money off them?
All this crap about the 'Music Industry' being dead is exactly that, complete poo.
These people who nine times out of ten have no musical ability themselves, see things entirely from a business point of view.
What I mean by that is, they see how many people download Billy-Bob-Joe's new single on MP3 via Kazza etc and immediately think that would correspond to CD / {insert appropriate format here} single sales. Which , is not entirely true.
They seem to be under the mistaken impression that if they clamped down on these P2P file sharers that these people would suddenly rush out and buy the singles from the shops. Yes, many may well do, but most, I suspect would hardly bother.
From what I see, (and you could be right in claiming I'm being a little cynical here, heh), its more to do with a lot of sour-faced executives worried about their commissions, or rather greedily seeing multiple downloads as potential multiple sales , rather than anything else.
I mean, who are the ones crowing the loudest about this? is it the Musicians? or the Industry Execs?
While I see , and concede the point that 'file-sharing' is really just a nice term for 'blatantly stealing' , (come on! that is what it is at the end of the day), there are ways that this new technology could be put to better use, take a leaf out of Apple's book for example; The MP3 Store , is a good convenient way of downloading music whilst getting the balance right I think.
You pay something like 00.99p for each file you download, which isn't bad? Considering you get exactly what you ask for, straight away , at a good quality. not a bad compromise I think, and those who have a conscience can download guilt-free, heh.
*looks towards Kas*
File-sharing is not a new thing, I find it irritatingly hypocritical that the same Music-industry is getting on its high horse about this sort of thing, when the whole industry has been exploiting artists for decades. Not to mention providing people with the actual means to create and rip-off music at home!
CD Burners, and blank CD's, tape cassettes, Minidisc, etc, they've all been around for ages, and all have been used to actively encourage people to replicate their music collection. Did / does the music industry really think that people wouldn't share these 'products' with their friends? COME ON!? In some case they've actively marketed these products for this purpose.
Most of these companies are all linked together in some way anyway, the same people shouting about copyright theft are the same people providing people with the means to do so. Now to suddenly turn around and tell everyone its wrong is just stupid. Besides, a great deal of money they 'lose' via these P2P programs, they make back on these blank media products.
Aside from all of this , I think there is a deeper fear in this 'Music Industry' and that is control or the lack of it to be more precise. These execs have realised (too late perhaps?) that ,suddenly , musicians don't necessarily need them anymore. Suddenly musicians have a platform with which to get their talents recognised, and they can do it themselves, without having to compromise , or 'sell-out'.
They can also do this , themselves without some exec getting a huge chunk of money , that they themselves earned, , the internet has the power to reach people worldwide, and if a band is smart they can exploit this to their advantage. Rather than strengthening the Music industry's monopoly on distribution.
Remember , musicians have been around for as long as we've been around, the music industry hasn't.
So what is this arguement really about?
Something to ponder about I think.
I gotta agree with most of what Theren's just said , I download MP3's yes, but I still buy albums, why?, because its nice to have the actual complete 'package' so to speak. However I just want to raise a few interesting points. (IMO, heh).
Personally, I think here it would help if you defined just what exactly is the 'Music Industry'.
Is it the Bands / musicians themselves? or the big Corporations that make money off them?
All this crap about the 'Music Industry' being dead is exactly that, complete poo.
These people who nine times out of ten have no musical ability themselves, see things entirely from a business point of view.
What I mean by that is, they see how many people download Billy-Bob-Joe's new single on MP3 via Kazza etc and immediately think that would correspond to CD / {insert appropriate format here} single sales. Which , is not entirely true.
They seem to be under the mistaken impression that if they clamped down on these P2P file sharers that these people would suddenly rush out and buy the singles from the shops. Yes, many may well do, but most, I suspect would hardly bother.
From what I see, (and you could be right in claiming I'm being a little cynical here, heh), its more to do with a lot of sour-faced executives worried about their commissions, or rather greedily seeing multiple downloads as potential multiple sales , rather than anything else.
I mean, who are the ones crowing the loudest about this? is it the Musicians? or the Industry Execs?
While I see , and concede the point that 'file-sharing' is really just a nice term for 'blatantly stealing' , (come on! that is what it is at the end of the day), there are ways that this new technology could be put to better use, take a leaf out of Apple's book for example; The MP3 Store , is a good convenient way of downloading music whilst getting the balance right I think.
You pay something like 00.99p for each file you download, which isn't bad? Considering you get exactly what you ask for, straight away , at a good quality. not a bad compromise I think, and those who have a conscience can download guilt-free, heh.
*looks towards Kas*
File-sharing is not a new thing, I find it irritatingly hypocritical that the same Music-industry is getting on its high horse about this sort of thing, when the whole industry has been exploiting artists for decades. Not to mention providing people with the actual means to create and rip-off music at home!
CD Burners, and blank CD's, tape cassettes, Minidisc, etc, they've all been around for ages, and all have been used to actively encourage people to replicate their music collection. Did / does the music industry really think that people wouldn't share these 'products' with their friends? COME ON!? In some case they've actively marketed these products for this purpose.
Most of these companies are all linked together in some way anyway, the same people shouting about copyright theft are the same people providing people with the means to do so. Now to suddenly turn around and tell everyone its wrong is just stupid. Besides, a great deal of money they 'lose' via these P2P programs, they make back on these blank media products.
Aside from all of this , I think there is a deeper fear in this 'Music Industry' and that is control or the lack of it to be more precise. These execs have realised (too late perhaps?) that ,suddenly , musicians don't necessarily need them anymore. Suddenly musicians have a platform with which to get their talents recognised, and they can do it themselves, without having to compromise , or 'sell-out'.
They can also do this , themselves without some exec getting a huge chunk of money , that they themselves earned, , the internet has the power to reach people worldwide, and if a band is smart they can exploit this to their advantage. Rather than strengthening the Music industry's monopoly on distribution.
Remember , musicians have been around for as long as we've been around, the music industry hasn't.
So what is this arguement really about?
Something to ponder about I think.