Travesty of Justice
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  • Posted On: Dec 17 2007 7:16pm
http://www.officer.com/online/article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=39374

This article was taken from a police website to which I belong. A horrible day in the global battle for justice and another reason why democracy does not work.

New Jersey, a province in America, has decided not to execute any more people. This includes terrorists, serial killers, paedophiles, rapists, and the murderers of law enforcement officers. So, if Osama Bin laden is captured in Trenton, then he will spend a comfortable life in jail with food, clothing, unlimited medical dental and psychological care and cable tv until he dies of old age. Certainly a thought that inspires confidence in the spending of ones tax dollars, no?

It is sad that the United States as a whole cannot bind itself together on the model of Texas which is far more swift and thorough in its eradication of scum. While they too have their faults, they are leagues above the remaining 49 provinces. Truly sad. In some states you can shoot a hundred people, all helpless women in their twilight years, and still get the rest of your life in comfort.

Now, of course you will argue - prison is not comfort! I agree. However remember that before I became a patrol police officer in this nation I served inside the iron bars of a prison as a Correctional Officer. Is it picnick> Hardly. Is it easy if you know you're doing - - yes. Very. Oh yes, I have seen inside the murderers and rapists and theives getting three meals a day, heat, air conditioning, medicine, psychiatric treament, exercise, and of course they have access to the seedier side as well - drugs of all sorts. Yes there is violence in prison with the fights and the riots but that is only ebcause inside the officers have too little discretion, too little power - that is another topic for another time. The bottom line, I remember working December last at a prison in Pennsylvania, watching a veritable hoarde of homeless being incarcerated for petty crimes. Not all at ocne of course, but in ones and twos. I asked one why and his answer I could have guessed. He said it was better in here than out there. That should not be.

Is this not sad? A regression in the pursuit of Justice. Jusice should be blind to colour race and creed but should it be deaf as well to the cries of the victims from beyond, or louder still the cry of fatherless children, widows, and shattered families whose lives will ne'er return to normal now that a void has been cast by death or damage. And low though it is, under the crying and yelling is the cackling laughter of a sane and conscious killer who has just secured his room and board for the remainder of his days.

Justice? I think not
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  • Posted On: Dec 17 2007 7:18pm
Shut up, Telan.

God bless you, New Jersey.
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  • Posted On: Dec 17 2007 7:37pm
Interesting. That brings New Jersey into line with how we do things over in the UK. Personally, I support the death sentence in extreme cases - terrorists, serial killers, etc but since we don't practice it (or even do it for real....) over here it's a bit of a non-issue.
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  • Posted On: Dec 17 2007 8:01pm
A pity that the British Empire has lost its zeal, then. What of the hundreds of thousands of criminals and TRAITORS over time who have been put the sword, hung, or executed otherwise? They deserved to die and so do the wretches that committ the same acts today. The crimes have not changed - -why have the punishments
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  • Posted On: Dec 17 2007 8:15pm
Telan Desaria
The crimes have not changed - -why have the punishments
Because study after study has shown that capital punishment does not work.

Because states with capital punishment have higher crime rates than those with.

Because it has been proven countless times that capital punishment is a racially motivated form of punishment.

Because there are many people on death row who are innocent, or who do not deserve the death penalty.

Do you have any reason to support the death penalty, Telan, other than your outdated, Neanderthal desire to see people hurt? If you're such an ardent supporter of capital punishment and opponent of democracy, move to Iran.
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  • Posted On: Dec 17 2007 8:38pm
LOL
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  • Posted On: Dec 17 2007 8:55pm
Because study after study has shown that capital punishment does not work.


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I dunno Drayson.... it combines the maximum of deterrence with the minimum of re-offence....
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For myself, I think it's what terrorists and traitors deserve. Sure, I'm a nobody and I'm not in political power, but that's still my opinion. Bin Laden, for instance, or the chaps who arranged the bombs in London. Serial killers who repeatedly offend. People who will rape and murder young children.

As far as I can see, in cases like that, capital punishment is better than any of the alternatives.

A pity that the British Empire has lost its zeal, then.


Happened a long time ago....sadly.
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  • Posted On: Dec 17 2007 9:18pm
Demosthenes X
Because study after study has shown that capital punishment does not work.

Because states with capital punishment have higher crime rates than those with.

Because it has been proven countless times that capital punishment is a racially motivated form of punishment.

Because there are many people on death row who are innocent, or who do not deserve the death penalty.

Do you have any reason to support the death penalty, Telan, other than your outdated, Neanderthal desire to see people hurt? If you're such an ardent supporter of capital punishment and opponent of democracy, move to Iran.


Drayson, do you have any factual basis for your arguments, or do you simply repeat the latest liberal lingo? And, of course, your biting, sarcastic comments about someone who disagrees with you?

Cause it seems to me that all of your arguments are somehow rooted in your emotions and come out as such. At least Telan had logical reasoning behind his - you simply made some statements and made ad hominen attacks on Telan. So please, Drayson, unless you have something useful to say (and by useful I mean logical, reasonable, and factually based), then please shut up.

Telan, I agree with you. I think the death penalty, even if not a deterrant, is a punishment fitting the crime in many cases. If you commit 1st degree murder, you should be executed. If you're a terrorist, you should be executed. If you're a rapist, I don't necessarily think you should be executed, though. Castration would be better.
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  • Posted On: Dec 17 2007 9:50pm
Wes, are you really that blind, or have you simply been trained to dismiss anything contrary to your beliefs as "liberal lingo"? A simple Google search will reveal reams of material confirming that the Death Penalty is ineffective:

“There is no reliable, scientifically sound evidence that [shows that executions] can exert a deterrent effect…. These flaws and omissions in a body of scientific evidence render it unreliable as a basis for law or policy that generate life-and-death decisions. To accept it uncritically invites errors that have the most severe human costs.”

...that is, that the death penalty actually increases the number of murders.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?&did=2374

In 82% of the studies, race of victim was found to influence the likelihood of being charged with capital murder or receiving a death sentence, i.e., thosewho murdered whites were found to be more likely to be sentenced to death than those who murdered blacks. This finding was remarkably consistent across data sets, states, data collection methods, and analytic techniques. The finding held for high, medium, and low quality studies.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=45&did=539#National%20Patterns%20of%20Race%20Discrimination

So before you go crying to the heavens "Drayson is wrong", get your facts straight. The fact that the death penalty has been repeatedly confirmed to be ineffective by numerous studies is well known to anyone except those that believe every word that comes out of Bill O'Reilly's mouth.

I note you are unrestrained in your support of Telan and the death penalty, but provide zero evidence that is it a worthwhile punishment.

Sure, maybe someone that commits first degree murder deserves to die. But we as human beings have no place to be the executioners. And what about the 126 people sentenced to die who were exonerated? Did they deserve to be mistakenly executed because someone thought so?

Instead of trying to appear Holier-than-Thou by attacking my person, how about answering the issue? How about presenting something "logical, reasonable, and factually based"? Not an "ad hominem" attack on someone else?

My argument is based in proven logic. Yours is based in your belief that someone who commits a crime deserves to be punished in kind. In a court of law, logic should rule the day, not passion.

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
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  • Posted On: Dec 17 2007 10:01pm
I'm not touching this with a ten foot pole.

/southpark