Yeah... I'm going to have to call shenenigans.
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  • Posted On: Oct 11 2007 10:00pm
I like Simon's writing as much as the next guy - often quite a bit more, even when he's thrashing me! Yet even so, the latest post in the chronicles of Zell doesn't seem about right.

For starters, no one knows that it's Dacian Palestar attacking Xa'Fel. No declarations were made in the battle, Dacian isn't known to the Sith he's currently engaging, and the only communication so far was one from Lord Silk to Telan - a private communication that he has yet to state sharing with the Empire. Even this only mentions "The Palestar Crusade", not any being called Dacian.

Also, the concept of hearing about the Crusade before it intentionally releases itself on the galaxy is underexplored. If you really wanted to discover it, I have no doubt that Imperial agents following threads related to a migration of warriors or pirates into the Unknown Regions might be able to trace this to Dacian, but finding out about it in a few lines from some vaguely described distant outposts (no Imperial bases border on Palestar space) seems a little easy when you consider the whole point of founding the Crusade in the Unknown Regions was to avoid scrutiny.

It'd be the equivalent of figuring out the Union's existance from 'hearing' their secret meetings or some such thing. I'm going to have to ask that either the Empire make a more thorough effort to acquire this information or that it be retracted.
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  • Posted On: Oct 11 2007 10:28pm
Seconded.

Surely the Crusade, as with any aspect of TRF, is subject to the contrivances of the galaxy as observed time and again but some precedent has to be set. As cited by Dolash, the framework for the discovery of said Crusade is fragile at best. It flies in the face, imho, of the ground work (substantial as it be) to up and dismiss all of Dolash's work in such a fallible fashion, downright insulting.

If the Empire wishes to invest in the location of the Crusade... let it be done in a suitably matching fashion. Not one that disregards the efforts of its writers involved.

Granted, at this point someone could propose any number of ways the Crusade might be made public to the Empire in some fashion preceding or congruent with the Xa Fel event but the simple fact is, no one has done so In Character... and to defend such 'logic' would, in my opinion, count as moding.

So come now, if the Empire truly wishes to further extend its meager resources, in terms of actual posting of late, then let us see something that merits such a discovery... a thread, a story for instance. Come now, you already own the galaxy... does the Empire really need to be so outright arrogant in it's presumption?
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  • Posted On: Oct 11 2007 11:02pm
Corrected.

The correction is the removal of the word: Xa Fel.

As this is the only reference to a timeline, it has been removed. The rp was not so much to note whether or not the Empire at large knows of Palestar or not nor to illicit any advantage over said knowledge. It simply illustrates Grand Moff Zell's attitude which doesn't require a "point in time". If you've read the Annals of Azrael Zell, in their entirety, you'll know that each post is a different point in time in the life of Azrael Zell.

That being the case, whether by a signal from Xa Fel or any other world of the Empire that Dacian decides to attack yesterday, today, tomorrow, next year...the rp still works.

Even Dacian should die in the attack on Xa Fel, the rp can be made to work.

No harm, no foul.






BTW: If I read correctly, there is still a "Crusade and War" going on in Palestar's name that is the backdrop of his own personal and private war against the Sith of Xa Fel.
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  • Posted On: Oct 11 2007 11:26pm
As it was not explicitly stated, as the Crusade has yet to make any move against the Empire proper, you can excuse our trepidation at the mention it, future, past, or present as being a matter of observable fact for the likes of Zell or anyone else... Not that this solution is overly satisfactory but I suppose it shall have to suffice.

I enjoy hypothesis as much as the next guy, but where so little is even confirmed yet... it's like watching Episode 1 without any knowledge of the rest of the films and then, part way, hearing the lament of Anakin Skywalker that one day he would kill his master...

So, case in point - though your thread may state otherwise, presently and until in the foreseeable future an outcome is predictable, we'll leave the facts as they are.
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  • Posted On: Oct 12 2007 2:01am
Fact: I am a living legend.

And Om... please stay away from my anals.
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  • Posted On: Oct 13 2007 12:53am
Shenanigans... good episode. :)