Opening Doors - Decision
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  • Posted On: Oct 27 2004 6:12pm
10/17/04


Ok... This is my observation from reading this rp:


I am referencing the attached jpeg file I drew (quite badly).


Position A. The position of most of Kraken's Fleet (protecting the planet) and in motion to secure planetary commercial traffic.


Position B. The position of some of Kraken's Fleet sent to follow the Coalition ships as they try to leave the mass shadow of planet and system. Note: Kraken describes some ships following but then, in his last post, repositions his ships. Therefore Position B will either be his ships following or returning to comprise his latter orders.
Position C. Coalition Fleet attempting to leave mass shadow of planet and therefore the system.
Position D. Position of the Valhalla.

The thick black line represents Draysons move into the system. He also mentions that there are other ships outside the system. However, they would be positioned at the rear of whatever incoming vector his fleet took entering Vladet space. In any event, they are a non-issue as he cannot communicate with them. I could find no reference to their position so it cannot be inferred that they would be directly behind any incoming vector of Cree Ar operated ships.




Given that Drayson moves his ships from an orbital vector lining them up with defensive posture of Kraken's fleet, hence the thick line extends out from Vladet as shown on little drawing.

Valhalla is considered at the end of that line and/or quite close to the edge of Vladet mass shadow because of this passage in Drayson's post:


The gravity field was moving, holes opening here and there as its position shifted. One, she now noticed, was directly where the Valhalla was. She might have ordered the ship to lightspeed, escaping the system and leaving Kraken to fight alone.

No… There were only two reasons that an enemy would allow a portion of the fleet to escape. Either they had not the firepower to engage the entire force, which meant that they may not attack if she remained. Or they were trying to lead her into a trap. In which case, she knew, as soon as the Valhalla jumped to hyperspace she would be in their hands – with their interdiction capabilities they could bring the ship out of hyperspace anywhere they chose.
By indicating that the Valhalla could have taken the bait rather quickly leaving Kraken's fleet behind would mean that the ship's position was fairly close to the edge of the mass shadow of the planet.



The blue line indicates my thoughts as to the Cree Ar captured Coalition vessels entry vector. The problem being that Ahnk's post only puts them as "nearing" the Valhalla.

Therefore Kraken and Jan are quite incorrect about the positioning of Ahnk's forces as being in between them.

As far as I can see, Ahnk must enter the system through the opening in the interdiction he made otherwise his own ships (if entering on a different vector) would also be pulled from space upon entering the system placing them quite a distance from Vladet and Valhalla.

Kraken notes this in his post:


"That does it. Not only did they come in right when the gravity wells opened up, but they are also in a combat formation. Prepare the fleet for battle. Order the Imperial and Victory class Star Destroyers that had been scattered by the terroist attack to reform into two action groups.
Note that I did not see that the entire interdiction field was brought down, only a small portion around the Valhalla. In any event, his post still shows (imo) where Ahnk's intruders come from without being affected by his own interdiction field (since he is using captured coalition/standard warships).



Inconsistencies:

Drayson has a holographic conference with Captains while comms are jammed.
This could not have happened but Ahnk overlooked it.

Kraken also orders a complex set of maneuvers:

"That does it. Not only did they come in right when the gravity wells opened up, but they are also in a combat formation. Prepare the fleet for battle. Order the Imperial and Victory class Star Destroyers that had been scattered by the terroist attack to reform into two action groups. Also, split anything that's larger than a picket ship into two equally balanced combat groups. They are to execute a reverse Marg Sabl enclosure technique once they get fully formed up. Also, dispatch search groups five and six with these following orders (the sounds of orders being transmitted), and prepare all ships for combat. Finally, have Search Groups 1&2 execute attacks on any starfighters the enemy has. Hold the rest of our starfighters back for now."

Any complex, coordinated maneuvering would be impossible (imo) with just "flash signals" during a comm jam situation. Ahnk also overlooked this.



Ahnk's description of his ship's position leaves much to be desired but given what I've noted, there is enough information if he moved his ships into attack position for Valhalla through the opening in his interdiction field that he can be quite near Valhalla given it's relative proximity to mass shadow edge (as perceived by his theoretical ability to respond to the opening in interdiction field immediately)

Still given Ahnk's overlooking both Drayson and Kraken's misuse of comms during a jam situation (if Ahnk lowered the jamming I did not see it), I is not unreasonable to allow his ships in close proximity to Valhalla.

tit for tat.


However, both Kraken's Fleet and Coalition Fleet will need to do some serious "turning" to engage incoming enemy (assuming my layout is even close to correct).


Quotes used to determine positions



Slowly, the Valhalla and her escorts entered orbit, slipping into the lanes reserved for the Imperial Navy.

*
nearly all the ships orbiting Vladet were firing, or moving into positions from which they could fire more effectively.

All, that was, but seven of them.

*

The Valhalla and her escorts had not moved, nor had they powered their guns.

*

Imperial Star Destroyer had engaged their shields, and were manuevering to engage the MC-90 cruiser. Shuttles issued from the Messiah ACSS flagship, carrying emergency response force SpecNav Commandoes to deal with the terroists aboard both the Defender Gunship and the Victory Star Destroyer.

*

The Imperial fleet formed into two distinct groups, the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Squadrons of the Grand Fleet that were to be put on display for fleet week forming into their usual groups, and the home defense fleet, deploying into an formation suited for defending the planet from any interlopers that might make it through. Some starfighters boiled out of the ships to serve in sentry duty as well as screens. The fleet was nearly at full combat readiness, with shields charged, and weapon launchers being loaded. Off to his starboard side, the New Galatic Coalition fleet, being disorganized by the terroist attack, was forming up, the Viscount being shielded by the Defender Gunships, some of their starfighters out to form screens as well.

*

it was time for the assault to be launched on the MC-90, and to secure her for future use. Ten Assault Shuttles, loaded up with one hundred SpecNav Commandes, and two hundred Dark Troopers, issued forth for the cruiser......
Ships had been diverted from their regular patrols, Army garrisons strengthened. Technicians from the Imperial Corps of Engineers had come to tune the planetary weapons and shields, and additional soldiers had been posted to the shipyards in the event of an attempted infiltration.

*

“Launch fighters in protective screen.” Bhindi ordered calmly. “Bring the fleet into formation with Admiral Kraken.”

*

The 12 defender gunships encircled the damaged MC-90... then the viscount used all of its many, many Ion cannons.

*

Frakutsk's goal was to disable the ship without any loss of life. And, as far as he could tell, it worked successfully.

The ions had a devastating effet on the MC-90, allowing the defenders to use their tractor means successfully, and then to move quickly to the edge of the indridiction feild surrounding the area.

*

As the Coalition reinforcements travelled from Ga'jak'ta'Gee'd'ja to the battle at Vladet, the Dominion vessels continued to fan out inside the nebula. Spreading their line thin, they made sure that the Coalition vessels that had turned would be in the system when the reinforcements arrived. They did, however, leave exposed the Valhalla, folding a hole in their gravitic manipulation fields which would allow them an escape. This hole had been created in the past minute, and it did not appear that they had, as yet, noticed it.

*

Right now the GC fleet was in high retreat, trying to struggle out of the interdiction field. Kraken grimaced at this, remember accounts he had read in the Naval Academy about how it had taken weeks for a fleet of Bakuran warships

*

have four fast attack cruisers, and ten gunships follow behind them at a pace.

*

In the mean time, Kraken was securing the planet, commerical traffic,
the Imperial ships were waiting, spread in a pretty basic defensive formation over the planet.

*

The gravity field was moving, holes opening here and there as its position shifted. One, she now noticed, was directly where the Valhalla was. She might have ordered the ship to lightspeed, escaping the system and leaving Kraken to fight alone.

No… There were only two reasons that an enemy would allow a portion of the fleet to escape. Either they had not the firepower to engage the entire force, which meant that they may not attack if she remained. Or they were trying to lead her into a trap. In which case, she knew, as soon as the Valhalla jumped to hyperspace she would be in their hands – with their interdiction capabilities they could bring the ship out of hyperspace anywhere they chose.

*

"That does it. Not only did they come in right when the gravity wells opened up, but they are also in a combat formation. Prepare the fleet for battle. Order the Imperial and Victory class Star Destroyers that had been scattered by the terroist attack to reform into two action groups. Also, split anything that's larger than a picket ship into two equally balanced combat groups. They are to execute a reverse Marg Sabl enclosure technique once they get fully formed up. Also, dispatch search groups five and six with these following orders (the sounds of orders being transmitted), and prepare all ships for combat. Finally, have Search Groups 1&2 execute attacks on any starfighters the enemy has. Hold the rest of our starfighters back for now."
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  • Posted On: Oct 27 2004 7:29pm
All that sounds fine by me. I'll review my post, but I think I don't have to edit it, I think I just said head towards the enemy fleet.
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  • Posted On: Oct 27 2004 7:58pm
Jan Dondana
All that sounds fine by me. I'll review my post, but I think I don't have to edit it, I think I just said head towards the enemy fleet.



TOWARDS the enemy fleet???

Care to explain why? I'm pretty sure Milkshake and I agreed that getting AWAY from them would be a good idea. What with the likeliness of getting killed and everything.

Congrats to Simon, by the way, for his detailed work in explaining the thread.
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  • Posted On: Oct 27 2004 8:26pm
They're masquerading as NGC ships. We retreat and the Imperials think we did it. We attack the fleet, help the Imperials out, well obviously we didn't do it. By attacking the fleet I'm preserving the peace with TNO, and maybe risking war with the Cree'ar, but if I have to fight someone I'd rather fight them then TNO.
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  • Posted On: Oct 27 2004 10:03pm
Oh. Fair enough. I thought you meant you were heading towards the Imperials.
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  • Posted On: Oct 28 2004 8:54pm
Well, I'm heading in the general direction of Drayson's fleet because that's where the fleet I'm attacking is.
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  • Posted On: Oct 29 2004 4:12am
Looks pretty detailed and fine to me. Depending on how many ships I sent to fight, it would take, what, three to four posts to bring them all into action?
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  • Posted On: Oct 29 2004 4:17am
Depends. I was figuring 2 posts for fighters to reach with capital ships falling in over the next two... or you could just bring the whole kit and kabbood in three-four.

Need to edit in any case, or just make a new post which'll bump it, I can delete the old ones.
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  • Posted On: Oct 29 2004 7:46pm
I checked mine out and it looks fine. I have yet to fire any weapons, and have just started heading towards your ships, all ships in formation, travelling at flank speed of my Viscount(not very fast).
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  • Posted On: Nov 2 2004 10:04pm
Ok I see where the thread's been unlocked. I'll have the edited post up by this weekend.