Jeeezzz Ahnk
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  • Posted On: Jan 20 2006 6:52pm
You beat the shit out of poor Issk.


Anyway, I can't really respond because I don't know what your message is so I'll wait until you post again.


Nice foreshadowing btw.
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  • Posted On: Jan 20 2006 8:33pm
If someone's beating the shit out of my NPCs, I should think I'd be told in advance, or something.
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  • Posted On: Jan 21 2006 2:20am
Well, physically he just got force pushed against a wall. No beating there. He hasn't been killed or maimed and, I did ask your permission to hold him before and you didn't object.

Considering the liberties you see fit to take with my technology, a little light abuse of your NPCs seems a fair trade.
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  • Posted On: Jan 21 2006 2:41am
I hardly call looking at an arbiter 'Fair Trade' to beating up my officers.
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  • Posted On: Jan 21 2006 2:46am
I hardly call encountering a technology completely foreign to you and after having seen it for under a minute immediatly discerning it's form, function, purpose and method of operation and then proceed to destroy it and dictate what happens when the science of such a reaction is clearly not understood by you looking at it, so I guess it's a matter of perspective.
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  • Posted On: Jan 21 2006 4:56am
A little touchy, are we? Using lots of words to say the same thing doesn't make it any more significant - I see a ship make a portal and go through. I see another ship go through a portal. This one seems to be holding the portal open because it is the only ship that insists on floating right near the rift. I reason it is the one, because the others all look like plain old warships. As for the science, the Arbiter's R&D was all of one paragraph long and I was unaware of the Doors discussion, so lay off.
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  • Posted On: Jan 21 2006 5:06am
Of course, thats considering you knew it was a ship that was creating the wormhole in the first place. Did you?
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  • Posted On: Jan 21 2006 5:09am
Dolash, don't get snippy.


I believe the point Ahnk is making is that you shouldn't be able to do this:

I see a ship make a portal and go through.
You see a portal. I would imagine so.. perhaps not as spectacular as Deep Space Nine but..

You see a ship come through... as well as other ships.

But you wouldn't see that ship "do" anything but move.


it is the only ship that insists on floating right near the rift.
Now, if this happened, yes there might be some connection or something fishy but the point is: did you have your characters question it?


Even so, we are not necessarily saying that the ship couldn't be fired upon. I mean it is only 7m and if it's in range, it's in range.

And if you wanted to rp what you think the coincidental "results" would be if the ship blew up, fine. But know that the person who designed the ship could tell you whether you get those details right or not.

Using OOC motivation for IC action is wrong and sometimes a fine line. If your ships fire on the most important ship there, is it because you as a player know the ship is important or because your character's find or figure it out? It can be tricky and must be played with care.


But then again, this is no different than looking at someone's OOC planet-defense manifest that probably hasn't been updated in god knows how long and set up an attack plan based on what they read those defenses to be as they would also be using OOC information for their gain.

But please take care with the motivations for your actions is all.
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  • Posted On: Jan 21 2006 5:12am
(20:55:41) InterArmaEnim: I still object to you knowing what the arbiter does.
(20:56:53) Dolash02: Okay, but I disagree. If you want to ask another staff member to judge, that can be done, but I stand firm that seeing an alien ship open a portal is enough for a smart captain to think "ho ho, these weird new ships must be opening the portals, on account of me seeing it open a portal."
(20:58:30) Dolash02: It's not like he could then go build his own, or understand everything about it - hell, my guess turned out to be wrong.
(20:58:54) Dolash02: Ruuvan now looks like a fool for not standing in front of the portal and shooting things that came out
(20:59:00) Dolash02: He's squandered that chance.
(20:59:03) InterArmaEnim: Again, there's no visible opening of the portal connected to the arbiter. To the contrary, the portal opening done by the arbiter is done from within the portal. The opening is created and then the arbiter exists. I still maintain you're just supposing based on yopur OOC knowing what it does.
(20:59:50) Dolash02: Does it take that much work to figure out?
(20:59:54) Dolash02: The arbiter was the only ship
(20:59:57) Dolash02: In all of deep space
(21:00:04) Dolash02: Who else could have made the portal?
(21:00:25) Dolash02: And why else would another arbiter - seven meters of nothing, to look at - would be first out? instead of the warfleet if it wasn't important?
(21:02:13) InterArmaEnim: Who says anything had to make the portall? What if it was made naturally? You don't know.

Besides, I assume that more ships came through.

And there you go. Why would you send something so critical, something so crucial to the conduit proceess, ahead of the warships? Wouldn't a logical commander assume it would be somewhat protected?
(21:03:34) Dolash02: Why send the icebreaker in front of your ship if it is so vital to get through the arctic?
(21:03:45) Dolash02: Because without it you can't break the ice!
(21:04:13) Dolash02: Ruuvan is not an idiot
(21:04:43) Dolash02: The arbiter was the only ship in deep space, that it would just happen on a wormhole that was there naturally is something no commander would rest his hat on.
(21:05:02) Dolash02: But sure, if you want the staff to rule that Ruuvan couldn't figure that one out, go ahead.
(21:05:09) Dolash02: It would benefit me strategically.
(21:05:25) Dolash02: I could say Ruuvan wouldn't know how to close the portal so he'd just order to shoot everyone who came through.
(21:05:31) Dolash02: I could kill BDE piecemeal
(21:05:42) Dolash02: If you want to press it, we'll do that
(21:05:52) Dolash02: If not, I'll just stick with my screwed up plan.
(21:06:12) InterArmaEnim: Well, regardless of your (disputed, highly supposed guess) that the arbiter did indeed create the conduit, the fact that you destroyed it and then the conduit stayed open should serve to disprove that belief.
(21:07:56) Dolash02: Yeah, sure.


It's times like this I really wish I had a girlfriend.
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  • Posted On: Jan 21 2006 5:16am
Sorry, I am getting a little snippy. It is one a.m. here, but still, my fault. I'm sorry.