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  • Posted On: Sep 12 2007 1:10pm
Just as I'm not counting out the Patriots, you shouldn't look past the Chargers. I think it'll be a great game, I'd put my money on the Chargers pulling it out but who knows. This is one of those games where even if we do lose, it's not gonna be that big of a deal. I just checked the line, the Patriots are favored by 4, but that's only because the game's at Foxboro. Either way, this should be a great game. Possibly even a playoff preview.


Agreed. I've said before that it looks like the AFC champ game. I just don't like the Chargers because of LT and no, the reason isn't his talent (of which he has an abundance). The reason I don't like LT is because he cried his little eyes out when the Pats shut him down last season in the playoff game and from the end of that game allllllll the way to the start of this season he bad mouthed the Patriots because he's a sore loser.

But the Chargers are a talented team, that's for sure.
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  • Posted On: Sep 12 2007 7:53pm
The NFL = The Last Refuge of the Athletic Criminal. Dog fighting? We got that. Wife beating? We got that. Drug abuse? We got that. Thievery, fraud, and cheating? We got those!

Still, I like the NFL. Where else can you watch grown men line up on a field and charge at each other? Well, besides Parliament Hill...
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  • Posted On: Sep 12 2007 11:39pm
The Writer
Agreed. I've said before that it looks like the AFC champ game. I just don't like the Chargers because of LT and no, the reason isn't his talent (of which he has an abundance). The reason I don't like LT is because he cried his little eyes out when the Pats shut him down last season in the playoff game and from the end of that game allllllll the way to the start of this season he bad mouthed the Patriots because he's a sore loser.

But the Chargers are a talented team, that's for sure.
Fact: The Patriots did NOT shut LT down, he ran for 123 yards and 2 TDs and 64 yards receiving on top of that. If you watched that game the Patriots didn't beat the Chargers, the Chargers beat themselves. Which is what made it all the more painful for LT to face. Certain Patriot players were doing the Shawne Merriman dance right in the middle of the Chargers field after they already won. That's disrespectful, it's not classy. The Patriots are better than that. You don't have to kick someone while they're down.

Beff: Aren't there two teams in the CFL called the Rough Riders? Honestly?
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  • Posted On: Sep 12 2007 11:41pm
BTW, there's far more criminals in the NBA than the NFL. At least on a per capita basis, considering NFL teams have 53 man rosters while basketball teams have what like 16 players? The NBA is Thug Central. There was one player last year, I don't remember his name, but he was drunk as hell watching a porno in his car and hit a parked car while wankin' it. How does that even happen?
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  • Posted On: Sep 13 2007 12:00am
Zell
Beff: Aren't there two teams in the CFL called the Rough Riders? Honestly?


Not any more.
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  • Posted On: Sep 13 2007 12:17am
What happened did one of them finally change their name or what? Wasn't one of them the Saskatchewan Rough Riders? I don't remember where the other one was from. In fact, I don't know why I even that much. God my brain retains useless knowledge.
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  • Posted On: Sep 13 2007 12:20am
But how is that number compared to other games? I mean he broke the record that year so they were probably double that. And come on, the Pats beat them. And LT ran off the field pushing players out of the way literally crying.

And why is it classy when Shawn does it when they win a game, but not when someone else does? Everybody found it hilarious when players shut down Terrell Owens and copied his dance, yet when the Patriots shut the arrogant blasting of Shawn and LT down it's a bunch of unclassy, idiots.

EDIT: And before you say he didn't, LT said during a press conference after the win to get to the game against NE that "he's not worried about the Patriots." and then before the game was played during a pregame interview "this will be an easy win, the real game is against Indianapolis".

EDITO NUMERO DOS: But, that aside, it's a new year and all this was last year. It will be a tough game to say the least for both teams.
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  • Posted On: Sep 13 2007 12:38am
No dude, no matter what kind of season you have 187 yards and 2 TDs is an amazing game, especially in the playoffs.

As for the whole dancing on the field thing, there's a difference. It's in the context in which it happens. I'm sure there are Patriots players that have their certain celebrations when they get sacks, score TDs etc. In the context of the game that's fine, but to go out there after the game's been decided and do something with the sole intention of humiliating the other team, that's a different story.

I don't know where you're coming up with some of this shit man, LT arrogant? Seriously? LT is one of the most humble players in the NFL, especially considering how amazingly fucking good he is. As far as LT saying what you say he did, I don't believe it. I'm as big a Chargers fan as you're going to find, I follow the team relgiously and I never heard anything like that come out of his mouth. At the time the game was played I was still living in San Diego, so I was watching the local news and listening to the local sports radio 24/7 and I never heard anything like that ever come out of his mouth.

Sounds like your opinion about LT is a bit uninformed. But if you can show me somewhere where he was quoted as saying that then I'd completely agree with you that it's a retarded thing to say.
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  • Posted On: Sep 13 2007 12:53am
http://forum.signonsandiego.com/showthread.php?t=77395

I can't find the other two quotes right now, but I will find them. But there above is a quote of him blasting his own coaches for the loss. As well as he called Belicheck an unclassy, arrogant, and all around bad coach.

About the celebration dances, that is probably the first time I have ever seen a dance by Patriots for anything. Merriman does it every time he gets a sack. The reason you dont see New England do that except for that game is because Belicheck doesn't allow it. He exploded on Deion Branch for doing it during his first season because he thinks all celebratory dancing is bad as I'm sure he did it after that game.

Back to Merriman's dance: Tomlinson said the Patriots players, particularly cornerback Ellis Hobbs, showed a lack of class by mimicking the celebratory sack dance of Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman at midfield following the game. He suggested that perhaps the players were taking their cue from Patriots Coach Bill Belichick. But has Tomlinson ever told Merriman not to perform his dance after a sack? If not, then he thinks it's okay to celebrate during an emotional game but not right after it? Or if his issue is not that the Patriots were celebrating but that they were using Merriman's dance to do it, he's bent out of shape over a mere lack of originality?

Also you have two different stats right there on LT's stats during the game.

But that's okay, I'll leave it where it is. The past.
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  • Posted On: Sep 13 2007 2:01am
As for the stats I quoted, 187 yards is total yards from scrimmage, rushing and receiving.

In that quote he's not really blasting the ex-offensive coordinator Cam Cameron. The Chargers beat themselves in that game, and it was largely due to coaching. You have an opinion of LT based on a very short exposure to him. Yes, LT did get overly pissed at the end of that playoff game. Why? Because he wanted to win so bad it hurt. Truth is they should have won, they really were the better team. They played terribly and still nearly won the game. LT definitely overreacted, there's no doubt. Him calling out Coach Belichick at the game was completely uncalled for. But I know why he did it, he was taking the loss completely personally. He made a mistake. 9 times out of 10 LT's gonna do the classy thing, in that case he didn't. You're right.

As far as the whole celebration thing, like I said it's all about context and perspective. The game was already over, there's nothing wrong with celebrating, but the way the Patriots did it (not all the Patriots mind you), was sending a big "fuck you" to the Chargers. That's where our opinions part, you're viewing things from one perspective and I'm viewing them from another. I don't have any problems with players celebrating during a game, or even after a game (Chad Johnson amuses the shit out of me). How could you not celebrate such a huge win? I'm just saying that the way they did celebrate it was pretty shitty, and they could have done it another way.

The reason I find all of this ironic is that for the vast majority, I see the Patriots as a very classy organization. As a distraught fan, yes I was pissed to see them spitting in our faces at the end of the game the way they did. But even then, it was only like one player, or a small number of players. But I can definitely see why someone like LT, who works harder than any of us year-round with the sole goal of winning a championship, gets so bent out of shape when your story book season comes to a screeching halt. Did he handle it perfectly? Obviously not, he let the emotion get the better of him, but I think that's part of the reason he's the best player in the NFL also.

I see where you're coming from, and I'm coming from somewhere completely different. So I guess we can just agree to disagree. But realize, these outburts are rarer than rare for LT, like I said 9 out of 10 times he's gonna do the classiest thing possible.