About time I admitted it...
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  • Posted On: Jan 2 2006 11:06pm
I think it's important for me to admit that Visionary: Firm Foundations is a failure on my part, and I apologize.

There is little more important in a story than it's introduction. It's even more important than the epilogue, in many ways. Firm Foundations was meant to be the introduction to the Visionary series, and would serve to establish the Coalition's status. It was supposed to name the major players as well as hinting at each of their roles.

The visionary series would have one 'minor' thread for each character, group, organization, or some such categorization in the Coalition or allied to the Coalition, where said character(s) would accomplish some strategic goal as well as be introduced firmly and developed just short of their climax, which would be saved for the conclusion of the series. Six 'major' visionary threads would cover Regrad and his pursuit of the visions, which would one by one lead him to a philosophical discovery as well as what to do in the galaxy. The culmination would be a climax visioanry thread, where each of the groups which was in a previous Visionary thread would have the climax of their personal plot, contributing to the advancement of the main plot supported by the six discoveries Regrad had made. This would inevitably propel the Coalition towards a final confrontation. Vague? I've intentionally avoided detailing every point, because that would take the many charts I've written and inked all around my room.

The plan was to take years, but as usual, I've been a little overeager, and fumbled the most important part. Due to a lack of planning on my part and the embarrasingly open and nebulous invitation, not to mention a frustrating inability to get my own faction to discuss the thread, the plan, or even to post, the thread's just a mess and more of my terrible speeches (I admit, the speeches were sort of a hurt gut-reaction to reading Simon's dissection of my speech on the holo-net.).

As such, this blunder has threatened the entire strength of the series. I don't think it'll work as well any more, and so I must make a request of you all.

If I may, let me revoke this thread. Cancel it. Pretend it never happened. Let me try again. My mistakes are painfully obvious to me now, and I need this thread to go well or else I might as well just scrap the whole plan now and go back to writing about ketchup and comical explorers. A new thread would feel much more like an introudction to a series rather than another long-winded speech broken up by random introductions. It would also be written just by me (Sorry Irtar, we can work your stuff in somehow), because one of my key mistakes was sitting around waiting for other people - at TRF, a plan with other people in it is doomed to endless delay or poor planning.

So I request a measure of clemency from you all on this terrible mistake. It really is a lousy, lousy thread.
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  • Posted On: Jan 2 2006 11:57pm
I think impatience is the thing. In that, I think we are alike Dolash. We have an idea we think is great and we automatically think up the first post before even a plan is in place or at least before a solid plan is in place.

Then I get impatient because I have a beginning and an end in mind but having to come up with the filler (the story) is tough. Then, as you say, there is waiting for others to post or others waiting for you to give direction and as a writer, we want it to happen now!

heh.

Then other things happen and we move to other threads or other ideas come up leaving the earlier ones behind. (You think I like having to drop my rp's to answer some tomfoolery speech from GC :b )

Even now, I find myself going back to complete threads started last year.

Anyway, I would need to reread your thread but I am not sure what, if anything, has really happened in it (that would change the galactic situation).
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  • Posted On: Jan 3 2006 12:25am
Actually, I just read the thread and in all honesty, I think you can make it work. You've got good participation and a very promising start because you have all these posts coming in from different viewpoints (from Jedi and GC people).

If the point of the thread was to be about what I think it's about [or should be about] (merging of GC and Jedi Order) then it is off to an excellent start with a very apt title indeed.

Not everybody follows anyone blindly and everyone has an opinion. While the same goals are shared, people have different ways of acheiving them and not all are bad.

Not everyone will necessarily believe the "prophecy' thing with Regrad though the Jedi would more readily give it credence than other GC members who don't follow the Azguard gods as they have experience with prophecies. Heck, even the Sith might think twice when speaking about prophecy.

So then, we come down to these leaders and whether or not they want to take the leap of faith. Perhaps not in the Azguard religion but what bout in Regrad.

I would ask you to stop looking at the thread as an OOC gathering and prelude to fleet action with TNO and look at it from it's story merits.

I think it's too early to say it is crap and scrap it imo.


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One thing that has never really been touched upon at TRF is the Jedi Order's relationship with government. They have their temple out on Naboo and several Jedi Masters lead the New Republic government (or their battles at least) but what about now?

They can claim to be the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy but they don't travel everywhere in the galaxy. Mainly they stay on Naboo... Now they seem to travel at length through the GC... which is good. It's good to see them out and about righting wrongs or whatnot.

But what is their status within GC?

Does a Jedi Knight outrank a White Knight?
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  • Posted On: Jan 3 2006 12:26am
Shit man, I thought you were coming out of the closet.

Be less vague in your thread titles. ffs.
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  • Posted On: Jan 3 2006 12:39am
Personally I didn't know too much about any of these thingers. If you want my participation I can participate just PM moi.
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  • Posted On: Jan 3 2006 6:11am
I've intentionally avoided detailing every point, because that would take the many charts I've written and inked all around my room.


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  • Posted On: Jan 3 2006 6:16am
Taja Loraan
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He's thorough...and evidently takes his work quite seriously. Both admirable qualities, IMO.
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  • Posted On: Jan 3 2006 2:27pm
As always, Omnae can be trusted to see the merit and possibility in every action. Okay, upon some reconsideration and rewriting, I think that shifting the focus towards the Jedi instead of the more open-ended discussion would benefit the story. I'll keep the thread, and work out something with Silus and any other Jedi I can ge ahold of (meaning we're good to go, Irtar).
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  • Posted On: Jan 3 2006 6:14pm
Taja, you mean you don't have bits of paper and notebooks laying about with various tidbits of story, dialog, lyric, etc embossed on their pages?

Weird...
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  • Posted On: Jan 3 2006 7:13pm
i know i dont. of course, i only write shit when... whenever.