Im aware that Im very late in coming up with a post and I'm sorry. I would like this discussion to be civil and I can't deal with it over PM's as I would prefer since it involves multiple people.

First off nice job to Telan and Wes it was a good twist, only one complaint which is fairly minor.

You guys did a hell of a lot in one post. As near as I recall posts are supposed to be only several minutes like 5. Granted Kach and I sped things up for a while but that was back when there was fairly minimal action.

Specifically Telan's post:

In one post you managed to:
1)Move a group of troops several city blocks.
2)Invade a compound that is guarded and surrounded by a huge riot, apparently unnoticed.
3)Kidnap the President.
4)Land a troop transport with several fighters where before there was only a few fighters flying around.
5) Fly him all the way up to Kach's flagship.
6)As well as landing multiple brigades.
7)As well as surrounding and acting every military outpost in a 500 km radius etc.
8)God knows what else I didn't notice.

I also have a very tiny problem with the fact that you claim my troops shot at your transport. Wouldn't have happened since up to this point Coalition and GC forces haven't exchanged any fire and if they do it won't be started by my ground forces wasting shots on a shuttle.
I have a similar problem with Wes' post.

Beyond the difficulties of penetrating the compound I would like to be able to contest Telan and Wes' actions before they arrive at the more or less perfect safety of Kach's flagship.

Umm Im pretty sure thats it.

Geez... It's not like the president really matters. He'd either be shot or become a good little imperial once we took the planet. If you took him, we'd replace him. So what?

Besides, the President should be the least of your worries. We're taking the planet! That should be what you're concentraiting on. Fighting off a huge ass venerator and a couple of heavy cruisers with a Bakura should be your concentration right now.

-Thwarting your plots to extend our own selfish puproses since the establishment of the New Order,

`Kach

Kach Kach Kach Kach. There is more to war then guns and violence.

Plus you have yet to fire a shot at any of my troops or my ship since doing so would be an act of war etc. etc.

Ok. What I did was set the stage for the ground attack.

I moved the post two hours after Kach's last post, allowing enough time for troops to be landed on the surface and things to begin rolling. It is safe to assume that all preparations for an offensive were already made - -the Empire, as a militant society, would be loathe not to have planned for such a contignency and then executed its preparations thereto.

So - we did thus:

1 - Landed elements of the 450th Panzergrenadier Division (3 Grenadier Rgt, 1 Panzer Bttl, misc support units) and an addition FAC brigade. Given the limited shuttling capacity of drop ships and such, only a portion has been landed. A command post has been set up/is being set up in a manor house (think French chateau) distant to the capital.

2 - A Regiment of Grenadiers is currently-en route to the capital and will take it, probably by storm, when it arrives.

3 - Following plan, military installations of the native defenders have been engaged or had surrender demanded of them. In some cases it has been one, in some the other.

4 - When orders were given for the seziure of the planet by force, this special operations team was given its own orders to seize the president. It is safe to say I think that they have been in palce for some time. Indeed they did meet resistance and indeed several of the team members were killed. In order to avoid the crowd and called defenses, the team's survivors and the president were air-lifted away.

5a - Wes, simultaneously, took the President's family into custody. The actions of the first landings, the president's seizure, and the family's kidnapping, all happened at the same time. Quite standard procedure, I would wager.

5b - I did my best to rp the taking with as juch fairness as possible but I admit, it was my first time writing such a small-unit action.

Historical Note - -the attack was rather whirlwind style, but not without a precedent in our own history. When the German Army began its assault on Poland, orders went out to marshalled units which then seized targets in record time. The German Navy shelled a fortress in Danzig and eliminated it while special detachments seized bridges and bunkers and crossroads, taking some by suprise. Some resisted, some surrendered.

Secondly, the seizure of Admrial Horthy's son was effected within one hour of the receiving of the order, in circumstances not unlike the ones I described. Admiral Horthy, btw, was the leader of Hungary during the war. His son was taken by Otto Skorzeny and his men to assure the continued support of the Hungarian government. Though, instead of a plane, he was rushed to waiting motors which were intercepted by a company of Panzergrenadiers mounted in Sd kfz 251,s about ten miles away and guarded.



The reason I had your troops fire at the TIEs because I knew they would have found out about the Imeprial assault and would thus seek revenge. They would know their shots would be harmless but would fire out of frustratrion. I did so out of a realism desire, not to alienate you. I know I would have rped Imperial troops doing so if for no other reason than to save face.


Notice - -not every military outpost was surrounded, only some. And my men are distinctly outnumbered but they have the advantage of speed, superior training than the natives, superb equipment, and orbital as well as aerial support. Do not forget that with only fourteen men young Leutnant Erwin Rommel bluffed his hand to receive the surrender of an entire Italian battalion at the end of his explots at Caporetto.

So wait theres' a two hour time period in there where i have no ability to respond or prevent the actions that take place in your post?

4-It's not safe to say the team had been in place for some time. Kach never mentioned it previously nobody did. That's like saying it's safe to say that I have 20 soldiers on Kach flagship. I'm still having trouble with how your men ended up inside a guarded compound in the first place.

Again, it is not instrumental to the plot line, it is there for story-reasons. I fail to understand your objections.


As for the window, you may say you did whatever in it. I advanced the storyline appropriately for the sake of realism to move the thread to its next stage. Actually rping the passing of two hours would have been monotonous. So, you are unable to rp the passage of two hours - - if there is anything ground breaking you wish to happen say so and it can be edited in accordingly

I'd say that Telan has a point in moving the time forwards - writers can never guess just when their fellow writers would like a stay of time to do some critical componant of their work, or when you're just spinning your wheels and it's time to jump ahead.

I'd reccomend giving him the benefit of the doubt in the time situation and just say what it was you wanted to do in that time (or what you had prepared during that time to spring) or some such thing, and if it's reasonable, then it can be edited in or the time could be pulled back a little to allow for it.

Vive le'Dolash

I know I shouldn't be involved, so I'll try to be brief. But Coalition forces have more sense to fire on TNO anythings without orders from their superiors unless already fired upon. I'm not trying to say we have super-uber disciplined troops, the best ever or anything like that, just saying that they would be taught and ordered not to fire on the Imperials because GC has "the high moral ground" from our perspective and would not fire on the Imperials first because then it could be argued we were the instigators of the war. Unless a GC RPer says we fired on someone, its never safe to assume that we did, just as I would never say that any Imperial did so much as shoot a spitball at a Coalition person without first having permission from the TNO person to say that or if it was previously RPed out.

If this is going to be that contentious - -and petty - I will edit it out.