Even though it's false.
Saddam Hussein? They should have called him "So Damn Insane!"
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^ Echo.
How can you possible be against the dealt penalty???? You msut remember, at the time of the Nurnburg tirals, there were NO cries for its termination and NO ONE opposed the hanging of several dozen German officials - even though some were soldiers and should have been given the honour of a firing squad - a soldier's death. The Japanese trails were then held and even more Japanese executed. Again, no cries of don't do it or stop. If there were any, the cries of the dead and dismembered far drowned out any such leniency.
In Iraq Saddam Hussein was the legitmate leader of a country and for that he has committed to crime,. That he ruled absolutely is the envy of most leaders and the ideal to which we should aspire. For the manner in which he held power through the abuse of his people and the execution of the innocent he should be hanged.
I am not a biblical man but even religion says Vengeance is Mine! sayeth the Lord. And indeed it is - we are merely speeding along the date at which that venegance might be meted out by whatever power rules beyond.
I am sorry to say that this occupation has been botched from the beginning. If the British would have been able to control things, perhaps the ghosts of their past and the beckoning of former glory might have insured that things were done correctly. But that has not happened and we are here. And now more soldiers will die as the cost of regrettable ineptitude. There is already Civil War in Iraq. How can a Prime Minister rule when he answers to Washington DC?
Many will die and that is the price that must be paid. But his exeuction should not be delayed or lamented. Members of Amnesty Internation or whatever they are should be locked up for interfering and move on with the business of returning overworked and poorly lead soldiers from the path to their fates in the sandy wastes of the Middle East
In Iraq Saddam Hussein was the legitmate leader of a country and for that he has committed to crime,. That he ruled absolutely is the envy of most leaders and the ideal to which we should aspire. For the manner in which he held power through the abuse of his people and the execution of the innocent he should be hanged.
I am not a biblical man but even religion says Vengeance is Mine! sayeth the Lord. And indeed it is - we are merely speeding along the date at which that venegance might be meted out by whatever power rules beyond.
I am sorry to say that this occupation has been botched from the beginning. If the British would have been able to control things, perhaps the ghosts of their past and the beckoning of former glory might have insured that things were done correctly. But that has not happened and we are here. And now more soldiers will die as the cost of regrettable ineptitude. There is already Civil War in Iraq. How can a Prime Minister rule when he answers to Washington DC?
Many will die and that is the price that must be paid. But his exeuction should not be delayed or lamented. Members of Amnesty Internation or whatever they are should be locked up for interfering and move on with the business of returning overworked and poorly lead soldiers from the path to their fates in the sandy wastes of the Middle East
As pertains to the religious aspect of Telan's post, the Bible does say that vengeange is the Lord's; however, it also delegates to man the ability to punish with death those that take the life of another. And this is not just a Christian notion; Islam is even more stringent on the penalty for murder, for example.
And I agree, Saddam deserves death. Any man, ruler or not, who can do what he did deserves far worse, actually; hanging him is mercy, not justice.
And I agree, Saddam deserves death. Any man, ruler or not, who can do what he did deserves far worse, actually; hanging him is mercy, not justice.
The only criminal in war is the loser. To the victor goes the spoils of war.
The Bible says a lot of things, and if we paid strict attention to all of them, suffice to say none of us would be very happy.
Saddam Hussein certainly deserves to die. The question at the root of the problem is, who has the right to decide who lives and who dies?
Giving a human being that right - for whatever supposed justification - is a scary thought. It is even more disturbing given the spectacle that was his trial. While we seem to agree on a moral ground, the legal judgement seems iffy, at best.
Saddam Hussein certainly deserves to die. The question at the root of the problem is, who has the right to decide who lives and who dies?
Giving a human being that right - for whatever supposed justification - is a scary thought. It is even more disturbing given the spectacle that was his trial. While we seem to agree on a moral ground, the legal judgement seems iffy, at best.
I'm with Telan. He said exactly what I was thinking. On all topics.
The death penalty combines the maximum deterrence with the minimum of reoffence. Okay, it may martyr him, but they important thing about martyrs is that they're dead. And that's the place where Saddam belongs.
Sure, you can always whip out a moral or two and to quote LotR (GEEK - yes, I know I am): "Some that live deserve death and many that die deserve life: Can you give it to them? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement, for even the very wise cannot see all ends."
Of course, that was about Gollum. Who knows, if the humanists win then Saddam might end up stalking Bush and biting his finger off.....Hmm......
That's the point really, isn't it. ;)
The death penalty combines the maximum deterrence with the minimum of reoffence. Okay, it may martyr him, but they important thing about martyrs is that they're dead. And that's the place where Saddam belongs.
Sure, you can always whip out a moral or two and to quote LotR (GEEK - yes, I know I am): "Some that live deserve death and many that die deserve life: Can you give it to them? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement, for even the very wise cannot see all ends."
Of course, that was about Gollum. Who knows, if the humanists win then Saddam might end up stalking Bush and biting his finger off.....Hmm......
That's the point really, isn't it. ;)
A couple of notations...
That was then and this is now. To compare the Nurnburg trials to what is happening now with the man in question is just fucking silly. Part two; the human condition evolves. In ancient Syria a man could be executed for looking at the wrong woman... Edicts must adapt and change. Part three; a "soldiers death" is suspect at best, a matter of subjective opinion hardly common between all fighting men and women, enlisted or terrorist.
I think Drayson best adressed that particular statment.
As soon as you start using something like the Bible to excuse your actions, because God supposedly will, you become a fanatic... no better or worse then the very people you fight against because, rest assured, their God or Gods have their own take. Surely the views and merits of such a work have to be considered as it has become integral to the various societies, but it should not, can not be the sole basis for such a weighty decision.
More importantly, it does not assuage your blame, guilt or complicity in the death of another human being.
Humans can die, humans will die. Excuses will change as will the motivation to manifest such fallabilities.
Conflicted statements like that, such as it is at odds with itself, clearly indicate that we, at least the microcosm of TRF, do not have the ability to make such a choice.
No, it dosen't. It has been disproved numerous times. Look at history for the supporting evidence.
Saddam will be Martyr'd. There is no doubt of that, that some men and women will take up the fight with renewed vigor because of his execution....
Not really, but it sure plays a part.
That was then and this is now. To compare the Nurnburg trials to what is happening now with the man in question is just fucking silly. Part two; the human condition evolves. In ancient Syria a man could be executed for looking at the wrong woman... Edicts must adapt and change. Part three; a "soldiers death" is suspect at best, a matter of subjective opinion hardly common between all fighting men and women, enlisted or terrorist.
I think Drayson best adressed that particular statment.
As soon as you start using something like the Bible to excuse your actions, because God supposedly will, you become a fanatic... no better or worse then the very people you fight against because, rest assured, their God or Gods have their own take. Surely the views and merits of such a work have to be considered as it has become integral to the various societies, but it should not, can not be the sole basis for such a weighty decision.
More importantly, it does not assuage your blame, guilt or complicity in the death of another human being.
Humans can die, humans will die. Excuses will change as will the motivation to manifest such fallabilities.
Conflicted statements like that, such as it is at odds with itself, clearly indicate that we, at least the microcosm of TRF, do not have the ability to make such a choice.
No, it dosen't. It has been disproved numerous times. Look at history for the supporting evidence.
Saddam will be Martyr'd. There is no doubt of that, that some men and women will take up the fight with renewed vigor because of his execution....
Not really, but it sure plays a part.
Didn't you see that Simpsons Halloween episode where Snake is executed, and his hair comes back for revenge?
The Death Penalty is not a detterent! :D
The Death Penalty is not a detterent! :D