Joren Logan

I know exactly "what the fuck I am talking about", and you know it.

Incorrect. All the American news coverage of Fallujah is pro-Administration and censored by the DOD before it hits the airwaves.

I know exactly "what the fuck I am talking about", and you know it.

Then you're doing an awful good job at hiding it, because it certainly looks like you have no idea what you're talking about. The American media is notoriously right wing (cue whiny "it is not!!!" response).

And you're ignorant enough to believe that if it was on CNN, or CBC, or whatever it is you watch, it has to be true.

It's not.

I don't need an "insider" to see that the situation in Iraq is far removed from what the American media claims it is. If you'd pull your head out of your ass and watch news that isn't owned by Rupert Murdoch, you would know that.

But you haven't, and you don't know what you're talking about. You, for example, actually believe that the Iraqis are in control of their own country. It doesn't take a genius to realize the situation - it takes someone who isn't wearing "Yay for Bush" beer goggles to notice that without the USA, there would be no Iraqi government.

You're entire "argument" is refuted by the simple fact that you're wrong. You're not arguing a point - you're arguing for the sake of arguing, on an issue that you don't know a thing about, and you're failing because you can't get over your immaturity enough to realize that this isn't about how much you hate me or whatever the fuck is going on inside your head - it's about you being wrong, pure and simple.

You can cry all you like that I'm a bastard/moron/insensitive jerk, but it doesn't change anything. You're wrong. I'm by no means 100% in the right all the time - but at least I have some idea of what I'm saying.

Okay, okay. Calm down.


I feel so stupid. I should have known some kid on a Star Wars message board would know better than the leader of the free world.

I mean, you should have his job.

Uh, yeah, Bush isn't biased at all.

No.

Completely nuetral in the whole US vs insurgents thing. In fact, he probably likes the insurgents.

Because accepting the word of a man who lied about the pretense for the war, lied about how the US would be seen in Iraq, and lied about the progress of the war is so much better.

Catastrophic success my ass.

It's idiotic comments like yours, Joren, that undermine your position so completely. If you're going to argue, argue the facts, don't give me a pile of horse shit and call it pie.

The only thing that anyone can believe is going over there and seeing it for themselves. Nothing the media gets it's hands on can be trusted anymore. The only people who view media sources are the ones that view sources that agree with their opinions.

If it were up to me, surrond the city, give everyone 48 hours to leave, inspect everyone who was leaving, then launch an atomic tipped artillery shelling attack to level the city. W00t.

Or you could always watch both sides and make an educated assumption where the truth really is?

If it were up to me, surrond the city, give everyone 48 hours to leave, inspect everyone who was leaving, then launch an atomic tipped artillery shelling attack to level the city. W00t.

Yeah, and that's why you're not in charge.

That would take to much effort for someone like Kraken.

It's idiotic comments like yours, Joren, that undermine your position so completely. If you're going to argue, argue the facts, don't give me a pile of horse shit and call it pie.

Alright. As far as I was concerned, we were arguing about opinions. I belived in attacking the city, you did not. When did I ever try distort or produce incorrect facts?

Please, point them out instead of spewing irrelevant banter and 6th-grade insults. That really accomplishes nothing.

Another thing I promise you is that there is no way to negotiate with Islamic militants.

Hence those negotiations that led to the siege...

You mean the civilians that have been evacuated from Fallujah for days now?

Or maybe the ones that haven't?

Actually, the news reports that hardly any civilians died. And if you noticed, the HOSPITAL is one of the first places secured by the Americans. I wonder why?

This isn't so much as misrepresentation on your part as the inability to seperate politics from news coverage. But it still isn't true in this context.

The Americans are not in command of the country. The Iraqi government is. They aren't occupiers.

Because being the only thing keeping said government from collapse doesn't give the USA any input, or anything.

I know exactly "what the fuck I am talking about", and you know it.

Simply not true.

Please, point them out instead of spewing irrelevant banter and 6th-grade insults. That really accomplishes nothing.

Wow! Way to take something I said and turn it around! That must have taken some mighty creativity there, Joren. The difference is, I know what I'm talking about. The only thing you've got is the irrelevant banter and 6th-grade insults.