London Attacks
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  • Posted On: Jul 9 2005 4:24am
I feel for all that has had to deal with terror attacks. For those of us in the US and England we don't get hit with this kind of thing often, but we all have brothers and sisters that deal with this on a day to day basis, please keep peace in all your prayers. My heart goes out to all the victims, their families, friends and pets.
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  • Posted On: Jul 9 2005 4:51am
Depends on your definition of "often". England has a lengthy history of IRA bombings. One reason, no doubt, they were able to respond so well to this attack.

That being said, my condolences to the victims. The purposeful targetting of innocent people is the most disgusting form of "warfare".
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  • Posted On: Jul 9 2005 5:07am
I feel for all that has had to deal with terror attacks. For those of us in the US and England we don't get hit with this kind of thing often, but we all have brothers and sisters that deal with this on a day to day basis, please keep peace in all your prayers. My heart goes out to all the victims, their families, friends and pets.
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  • Posted On: Jul 13 2005 9:04am
Update, in case those of you haven't heard:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4677601.stm


...and this site has sprung up, and I must say its quite touching, not to mention amusing:


http://www.werenotafraid.com/index.php


Check it out.
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  • Posted On: Jul 13 2005 5:22pm
Nice!

The second link that is.
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  • Posted On: Jul 14 2005 4:11am
This was printed in our local paper the other day, I thouhgt it quite a striking article:




INTELLIGENT BOMBERS WOULD NEVER ATTACK LONDON

ANDREW COHEN
You have to wonder about the terrorists. Not their morality. Their intelligence.

After all, if you're a terrorist, you want to kill a lot of people and sow a lot of hysteria. You want to ruin the economy, shatter law and order, cause anguish and anxiety. You want to create havoc, chaos, confusion, a biblical calamity akin to the Ten Plagues, the Black Death, the Great Fire, the Great Depression, Nanking and Hiroshima. Getting the most bang from the bomb is what counts. You want Armageddon.

To do that, though, you need the right target. You need to terrify a people who are feckless, aimless and spineless. They must have no sense of themselves, no purpose in the world and no awareness of their history.

You need a people with no idea of community or solidarity. You need a people new to the randomness of violence and uncertain how to respond when it strikes them. They must be without leaders who can inspire, without men and women who command respect as well armies.

If you need all these things in place to pull off the Apocalypse, then, why on God's green Earth would you bomb London? Why, pray tell, would you attack the British? Practically speaking, did you think this through?

Surely there were better targets. Of the 191 members of the United Nations, you could have found another densely populated, highly industrialized nation of Judeo-Christian values where you could have done some real damage, psychologically and spiritually.

It makes one wonder where these dim-witted renegades went to school. If they're from abroad, it seems they never learned about the legendary temperament of the British. If they're British, they never learned that attacking their compatriots in this way will have the opposite effect. If anything, it will put more steel in the British spine.

The reason? Character and history. Each, in its way, makes the British the tough, stolid, resolute, optimistic, storied people that they are. Beyond the Israelis, the British are the most unlikely people on Earth to succumb to fear.

Consider these two declarations of defiance from London last week:

"The people who did this should know they have failed," said a hand-written sign on the steps of a church. "They have picked the wrong city to pick on. London will go on." Said another: "You think you will defeat us? Let me take you by the hand and lead you through the streets of London."

Had the bombers accepted that polite offer, this is what they would have found in London, and in the highlands of Scotland and the hills of the Lake District and the lanes of Oxford and everywhere else in that small, plucky island:

They would have found a people who know terrorism and aren't afraid of it. Since the 1970s, the British have lived with the Irish Republican Army, which took its murderous campaign to the steps of 10 Downing Street. When bombs explode, the British know how to respond with speed, skill and understatement. It's why the IRA attacks were known as "the Troubles" as the recent attacks are called "the incidents."


The terrorists would have found a people with a past. After all, it was the British who stood alone against Hitler and Nazism in 1940, when they could have lost the war.

Instead, they won the Battle of Britain and withstood the Blitz. Centuries earlier, these are the people who turned back the Spanish and their Armada, and defeated the French at Trafalgar and Waterloo.

They would have found, these terrorists would, the people of Winston Churchill and Horatio Nelson. They would have found a nation of towering literary, artistic, philosophical, commercial and scientific achievement -- Shakespeare, Chaucer, Elgar, Turner, Darwin, Newton, Wren and Watt.

They would have found a people of decency, equanimity and modesty.

"One of the charms of the British is that they have so little idea of their own virtues, and nowhere is this more true than with their happiness," observes Bill Bryson, an American, who calls Britons "the happiest people on earth."

They would also have found a people who tolerate bad food, bad telephones, bad service, bad weather, lager louts and long queues, all cheerfully.

No matter. When the bombs went off, the fire brigade responded quickly. The prime minister and the Queen spoke eloquently, giving roar to this lion of a people who know, fundamentally, who they are.

Sadly, there will be more terrible bombs in London. We are about to enter, as Sir Winston said in the early days of the last war, "a new dark age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science."

Fear not. No one endures like the British. No one.

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  • Posted On: Jul 14 2005 4:41am
empty fellatio.
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  • Posted On: Jul 14 2005 11:26am
I've just come back from joining others in the two minutes of silence happening across the Country, (if not across Europe).

In light of this , I would have to say I disagree with your dismissive remark there Yoss personally, but then I would wouldn't I?..heh

Although the tone is certainly bordering on the sycophantic, the overall point I agree with.

Had you been there with me today, you would only have had to look around you and look at the person standing next to you to see it.
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  • Posted On: Jul 14 2005 3:16pm
the key word was empty.

why does everything have to be about a collective consciousness that no longer exists, and maybe never did? modernity has sequestered everything. the 21st century isn't about identity, it's about anonymity. it's interesting that when sandra day o'connor stepped down the media obsession was social issues, but those are foregone conclusions. the legal battles to come for the next several decades will be about privacy. national identity is a dead concept when you have the option (and popular option) not to buy into it. its corpse is paraded about when bombs go off but it spends the rest of its time six feet underground in a bunker with elvis and shit that disappears in the bermuda triangle.

if that weren't true, the bombers would not have been british. and many of britain's most famous exports would not be heroes of the counterculture. think the sex pistols, think radiohead. the culture of the new world is the antithesis of the old. it is a culture of being alone in a crowd of other people -- a culture where your country is a collection of people who just happen to live on the same plot of land.

every nation that steps through the fire of technology, science, modernism and secularism emerges on the other side without nationalism, and without the sort of bullshit masturbatory collectivism that people like to pretend exists because it looks good on tv. history is dead. winston churchill is dead. shakespeare, chaucer, darwin, newton. dead dead dead dead. they all belong to a concept that plainly does not exist anymore. anyone who believes the inverse is clinging to the security blanket of a generation that is already dying and receding from power.

and if for short periods of time it appears i am wrong, wait one week and turn on the television and tell me it hasn't evaporated. because you are mistaking shared sentimentality for a collective identity, like the americans did when things started exploding on their doorstep. it goes away.
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  • Posted On: Jul 14 2005 4:32pm
You're quite wrong, you know. You've confused solidarity with national identidy. Americans (for example) by and large are proud to be American. Even those who disagree with their leaders are proud of the country, and the principles it was founded on. Not universally, obviously, but basing your argument on the idea of "100% of the population does not think this way, therefor it is wrong" is a ridiculous point. Whether Britain's national identidy (so to speak) is being shouted from the rooftops, as it has been in the wake of the bombings, or whether it is lying just beneath the surface, it is no less present. An attack does not bring out this collective identidy, it just makes it apparent to those elsewhere (like us).

Certainly, Britain's most 'famous' exports are examples of the supposed counter-culture. But you know what? That very counter-culture requires a strong culture to exist! By definition the counter-culture is merely opposition to the culture - so for the counter-culture to be popular, so must the culture be strong. Otherwise there would be no counter-culture, the Sex Pistols would have had nothing to rebel against.

Yes, Winston Churchill is dead. Thank you for pointing that out. But he is still seen around the world as a hero. Churchill's death is irrelevent, his symbol and what he stood for live on. Especcially when something like this happens.

Universal agreement will never happen, I agree. And a changing world alters national identidy significantly as time goes on. But there is always an identidy somewhere that people can buy into.