If Darth Sidious can take on 4 Jedi Masters....(SPOILERS PRESENT)
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  • Posted On: May 10 2005 8:06pm
Why couldn't he take on an emotionaly scarred daddy and not let him carry him like Rose in Titanic? And what happened to the dude's lightsaber? This is heresy, hoopla I say!

Nevertheless, i can't wait for this movie, I'm as giddy as a pedophile in Neverland Ranch for Episode III, even more so then before TPM
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  • Posted On: May 10 2005 11:14pm
I think the novelization offers some insight... Stover goes on and on about how Palpatine trusted Anakin, and how that was Palpatine's downfall. Obviously, the outcome was different (Mace trusted Anakin, and that was HIS downfall). But the same can be said of RotJ - Palpatine trusted Vader, and it killed him.
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  • Posted On: May 11 2005 1:08am
"Your overconfidence is your weakness."
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  • Posted On: May 11 2005 1:20am
Not as such. Overconfidence tends to be confidence in yourself... Palpatine's reply, "your faith in your friends is yours" takes on new meaning with this film, though.
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  • Posted On: May 11 2005 1:53am
No, Dolash has it right. Palpatine was overconfident in Vader. Though, he had a right to be so. Vader did some bad stuff with Palp, who would guess he'd have an attack of the guilty conscience, and lob his master into a deep pit. And what kind of insane dictator has endless shafts in their throne room, anyway?

One thing that bugs me about the difference between films is the sheer amount of additional force powers we see in the new movies, and the sheer lack of variety of force powers we see in the new movies. Is the only thing a Lightside Jedi can do is force push and pull?
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  • Posted On: May 11 2005 2:02am
I don't think so. What you're basically saying is that Palpatine was overconfident in Vader's loyalty, which is the same thing as (too much) faith in one's friends. Luke cites overconfidence talking about how Palpatine was sure he would win the Battle of Endor, applying that to Vader's loyalty is out of context. It's still Palpatine's faith in his friend (servant) to be loyal that leads to his demise.
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  • Posted On: May 11 2005 2:25am
I was replying to this:
Not as such. Overconfidence tends to be confidence in yourself...
Which was in reply to what Luke said to Palp. Luke was right, Palpitine was right too.
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  • Posted On: May 11 2005 2:47am
Even so, could't Palpatine just squirm away or something when he was being carried? That was ridiculous, for someone that can take on 4 Jedi Masters!
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  • Posted On: May 11 2005 2:50am
Palpatine did kill Vader. His Force lightning is what did the deed. He wasn't exactly laying back and letting himself be carted off to death.
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  • Posted On: May 11 2005 2:56am
You also have to take into account that his body wasn't really in tip top shape at this point in time.