BSG No More (Spoilers....sort of)
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  • Posted On: Mar 23 2009 9:32am
Well folks, the last chapter is at a close. The story is at an end, finally and forever... or is it?

Aside from speculation about a spin-off prequel this is it, it's done. The curtain is drawn, the audience gone.

Personally I found the final episode spectacular. An hour and a half devoted to ending threads, snipping loose ends and completing what has been a roller-coaster ride of ups and downs. I know that I will miss watching the new episodes week in and week out but I think that more so I will be glad of the fact that I was there to see the revisit of a Sicence Fiction legend from start to end.

What did you think?
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  • Posted On: Mar 23 2009 1:02pm
Everything up until their final act I liked. The final act made no sense. Their final act actually ruined it since it felt like such a damn cop out.
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  • Posted On: Mar 23 2009 2:28pm
Right after watching it, I was completely with Irtar on this one, and still somewhat am. I do appreciate Moore's intent of making it open to multiple interpretations, except for that last scene...the day we build cylons will be the day I elect Irtar President of the World.
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  • Posted On: Mar 23 2009 2:56pm
I personally liked it. Does this mean that Jimi Hendrix was a cylon since he received "inspiration" for the cylon song? heh heh...

I was dubious as to how they were going to end it and if it would be satisfying and I thought it was.

We're already building toasters so cylon is not a far stretch. heh heh.. AI is just another term for cylon anyway and we push ahead trying to create AI but to do what? Make our lives easier and essentially be slaves to our every whim.

The smarter the AI becomes, the more our moral ambiguities will be questioned. By that time, Skynet will have become active and...

I am looking forward to BSG: The Plan as told from the cylon perspective. I thought Caprica was going to be a series but the DVD is coming out in April?
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  • Posted On: Mar 23 2009 3:35pm
Well, if we're just going to post spoilers and such, then let me just say I'm not talking about the cylon reference at the end.

I'm talking about them just ditching all their technology to live a life without comfort or medicine. If they had come closer to modern times, and they were actually the people of Atlantis, I could've bought it. But of the over 20,000 people left, I doubt they'd just roll over and accept suffering for the rest of their existence.

Not to mention the concept of 'We're going to prevent this from happening again by forgetting all about it' is stupid. I mean really, if you don't learn from your past you're doomed to repeat it which is really all they have accomplished.

In closing: In my eyes, what they did was just either idiotic, retarded, or a cop out.

Edit: And the song was written by Bob Dylan.
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  • Posted On: Mar 23 2009 5:22pm
Then Bob Dylan is the cylon...


I get what you are saying... but really, how much of an advanced civilization can they have with only 30,000 people? Their ships are falling apart, they can't manufacture much so everything is going to run out including medicine.

Their "city" on New Caprica did not look like it was all that before the cylons arrived.

Maybe some people still wanted to stay cooped up on a stinky ship to fly to whereever. Perhaps they could have taken a raptor or two or all of them (so they don't blind jump the big ships) so the good people of the waste reclamation fleet could continue on to explore space? But after all the raptors are gone, mechanics and pilots are dead, what then?

There's no way they're going to build another battlestar or something with jump drives. If the captain of a ship wants to stay, pitch a tent and grow crops, the 200 people in his ship can't go anywhere.

You say they need to learn from their past (rather than forget it) so they don't repeat it. So what lesson do they need to learn that would have made the cycle break? Do not do anything that may help the creation of AI?


I am curious about the humans/cylons on Caprica or if there are any stragglers left on New Caprica? After 150,000 years what sort of society do the robotic cylons have?
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  • Posted On: Mar 23 2009 8:57pm
But of the over 20,000 people left, I doubt they'd just roll over and accept suffering for the rest of their existence.


I don't think the intention was to accept suffering for the rest of their lives, but the roll over part rings true; as mentioned the survivors, that is to say the last remnant of humanity, had gone through its worst period in their chapter of evolution/history. On the brink of extinction all, every one, was forced to do things they would never have considered, as exemplified by the main cast. The idea was to, I think, atone for what had passed before generationally and in doing give the future of humanity a chance to start over... a "clean slate" as said in the final moments of the episode.

What did bother me however was...

A.) Cavil committing suicide; this just does not fit with the character as I and others saw him. Resurrection had eluded him, and the rest, and so his death would have been his true end and I just don't see him giving up when previously he had demonstrated such a tenacious ambition to achieve his goals, to survive and to advance "his people".

B.) Starbuck, the mysterious who-or-what is she; okay so we know she is something special but what, exactly is never truly explained. This bothers me because she was such a pivotal character throughout and to leave her ends loose like that strikes me as unfair to the viewer. We, the fans, invest a lot in a show like that and I just think it would have painted a more complete picture had we been given a definite answer about who or what she is. Instead we have the looming questions... how did she come to be on Earth (the first Earth) as a corpse? How did she know the patterns? Where did she really come from? I can only hope that we will be given the answers to these and other questions in the future spin-off.

And on a lesser note - how tough was the Galactica, exactly? It seemed in the throws of death for episodes previous, then managed to endure protracted battle with the Cylon colony, then managed a jump when previous references had made that sound unlikely if not impossible, then it held atmosphere long enough to disembark the crew and make the flight from Earth (our Earth) to the sun...
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  • Posted On: Mar 23 2009 10:24pm
I've been wanting to get into this series for a while now. Never seen a single episode though I saw some of the TV miniseries before it started.

Is there any to watch or download the show in decent quality for free or do I need to just go buy a box set of season one?

Also does the miniseries lead into the first season?
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  • Posted On: Mar 24 2009 1:42am
Hyfe...

utorrent

mininova & eztv

It's only like 3000 hours...
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  • Posted On: Mar 24 2009 2:34am
I am curious about the humans/cylons on Caprica or if there are any stragglers left on New Caprica? After 150,000 years what sort of society do the robotic cylons have?


I am really curious about this line of thought as well. I kind of thought that everyone would be terrified by the Cylon's occupation to flee when they had the chance, but the alternative is hiding, which isn't too bad either, especially given the fact the Cylon's space superiority (I mean, the Galactica almost did not escape).

I think it's fairly safe to say that given that how cylons "age" and Cavil's concern about death means that eventually the cylons on Caprica and the other colonies of Kobol means that they will die off eventually.

The robotic cylons? I'm pretty sure they became BDE. :P