That's one example, Beff. And I've always wondered by America declares 9-11 a tragedy, all the while hardly acknowledging the 10 000 deaths every year by guns.

As for Columbine, they may have found other ways to do what they did. But they may not have. A large proportion of people who shoot others most likely would not have been motivated to find another way.

More kids are killed playing football in school than they are by guns. 18 football players died during the school year ending in June, 2000 (from hits to the head, heat stroke, etc.), as compared with 9 students by firearms.*



*The University of North Carolina conducts yearly surveys to determine the number of high school football fatalities. See David Williamson, "New study finds 18 football players died in 1999 season, eight paralyzed," University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (August 14, 2000) at http://www.eurekalert.org/releases/unc-nsf081100.html on the internet. For school firearms deaths, see Dr. Ronald D. Stephens, "School Associated Violent Deaths," The National School Safety Center Report (September 22, 2000) at http://www.NSSC1.org on the internet.




BAN HIGHSCHOOL FOOTBALL! It's killing the kids! Can't people find some less deadly sport? Like... hopscotch, or something.




As a side note, this conversation was about Bowling for Columbine, not gun control.

Bowling for Columbine got what, an Oscar for "Best Documentary", when the movie is filled with deceptive editing, outright lies, and other crap. It's not a documentary.

I'm sure what you meant to say, Kas, was that more students are killed playing football than are killed by firearms IN schools.

Is this another one of those "if you cannot fight what your enemy says, fight the way he says it" things? If so, roll over and die. Thanks.

It's assumed that that is what is being said. Obviously. In a news article the extra "in school" is left out to conserve space...

Yes and no, Kas.

I just find it highly ironic that you can claim Michael Moore uses "deceptive editing", while doing the exact same thing yourself.

More kids are killed playing football in school than they are by guns.

and

More kids are killed playing high school football than they are by guns while at school.

Are totally different statements - one implies that death by firearms is overshadowed by football deaths, the other states that there are more deaths in schools caused by playing football than school shootings.

More kids are killed playing football in school than they are by guns. 18 football players died during the school year ending in June, 2000 (from hits to the head, heat stroke, etc.), as compared with 9 students by firearms.*



*The University of North Carolina conducts yearly surveys to determine the number of high school football fatalities. See David Williamson, "New study finds 18 football players died in 1999 season, eight paralyzed," University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (August 14, 2000) at www.eurekalert.org/releas...81100.html on the internet. For school firearms deaths, see Dr. Ronald D. Stephens, "School Associated Violent Deaths," The National School Safety Center Report (September 22, 2000) at www.NSSC1.org on the internet.

See now Kas, I didn't read the footnote. And the information is still buried away under all the other garbage in said footnote.

Then perhaps the one who uses such methods in their presentation is just as much to blame as the one who believes said presentation without paying full attention to all information presented.

In the end you will develop your own views on any given matter, so perhaps the method in which the information is presented, given that all the nessescary information is included, is not as important as the way in which it is recieved and understood by the viewer.



prop·a·gan·da n.

1.The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
2.Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause: wartime propaganda.



propaganda

\Prop`a*gan"da\, n. [Abbrev. fr. L. de propaganda fide: cf. F. propagande. See Propagate.] 1. (R. C. Ch.) (a) A congregation of cardinals, established in 1622, charged with the management of missions. (b) The college of the Propaganda, instituted by Urban VIII. (1623-1644) to educate priests for missions in all parts of the world.

2. Hence, any organization or plan for spreading a particular doctrine or a system of principles.



propaganda

n : information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some cause

HA!

a) It's kind of silly how everyone keeps seeing this movie, and then acting like they invented it. I posted links to it about a year ago.

b) Beff, nobody thinks you're smart or clever. Frankly, it's obvious that you've cribbed your oh-so-intellectual argument from some Rush Limbaugh clone (or anyone on Fox or Lou Dobbs' show). Oh, yes, propaganda! Oh no! God knows that's something new to America. While I can't be bothered to read everything in this obscenely long thread, I'll just point this out:

You totally failed to take into consideration the issue of population. Perhaps you should consider adressing the issue on a per capita basis rather then making blanket statements.

Canada's Population: Approx. 33,000,000
Gun Murders: 200 (in the area of, possibly more or less)

America's Population: Approx. 260,000,000 (rough guess, don't rightly know)
Gun Murders: 11,000 (rounded down)

Canadian Percentile: 0.00000606
American Percentile: 0.0000423

That means Canada's gun murder rate is 14% of America's. Not 14% lower, but 14%.

But then, what would I know. I'm just a left-wing complainer who should probably be thrown into the oven with the rest of the commies, fags, and Jews, right?