Since I will not take up space on the thread that has planet listings, I wanted to clarify or find out if asteroids and asteroids belts are all considered the same as planets. I am under the assumption that planets are planets and asteroids are asteroids. I am not trying to cause controversy, but Sullust Space has four planets: Sullust, Lununmo, Sullumun, and Obica. Now there are satellites, which I assume are part of those planets – I know of only two – and one large asteroid field and also two individually named asteroids. So, are all of these units considered planets or not.
As for Demonsthenes X’s issue of authority, I do not see the Empire not losing control of the Ubiqtorate planets like Sullust and such, but it would be renamed as Free Trade Directorate, which is what is really happening. Now if that is a problem, then I think there needs to be a discussion for which the structure can make sense because I know that I wanted to roleplay this situation with Bhindi Drayson to help the New Order understand the purpose of the FTD, but I have not heard an answer yet.
I realize that this thread brings up new issues which are open to discussion, of course. This statement, unlike the one in the Planets List, does not render this issue (as pretains to this thread) closed.
Regardless, I am still too busy to reply in full and will do so when I have the time to do so, so there. Do.
So you thought you'd just go ahead and do a major RP with galactic consequences in TNO space...
Yeah.
You do not have the authority to rename Sullust anything. You do not have the authority to involve Sullust in any sort of galactic-scale RP without the input of TNO members.
Which, I note, you have not asked for. I received a cryptic PM that said all of nothing, which resides in the TNO private forum under the heading WTF? because no one actually knows what to make of it.
Now, if you want to RP, that's awesome. :) But if you're going to be doing anything in Imperial space, you really have to go through the Empire first. And you actually have to involve them...
Instead, you've just listed Sullust as your planet. I haven't read your roleplay, but from what I gather you also really haven't put any effort into trying to include the planet's TRF history, either.
So, all of this ammounts to... WTF? Who are you, what are you doing, and what do you want?
Which would mean the changing of hands by the local Moffs and such. Which would mean you really should've talked to the Empire a lot more to come up with some form of plan.
Since you're a newb and not a n00b as indicative of your writing, I'm sure you realize the anger of the Empire. And it's for this reason I'll be civil and not an ass. So my suggestion is along the lines of Beff. Talk to the Empire, and try to come up with some form of plan of action before continuing. Omnae is a reasonable person.
But remember to look at it from their perspective: You're a new member who just comes along and begins to state changes to something they've worked hard to create. I'm sure you'd get just as angry as some of the TNO members are.
As for the planets/asteroids/moon thing... I dunno. We used to be far more clear in the old rules that you had to take every planet you have control over. Planets and moons and such contributed to your length available to fleet so it was strictly enforced. Now a days it's a bit more loose for interpretation. Some people say you take a planet you take the planet, some say you get it and the satellites, some say you get it and the system, and some say you get it, the system, and a safe border around.
Personally, since you're a newb, I'd say it'd be far more easier to go with the second option. You take a planet, you get the planet and the satellites.
Edit: And yeah. Along with some of the stuff Drayson said.
Irtar and Demos have more or less covered the issue. It's quite unfortunate that no one contacted you on this earlier (your thread seems to have started in February), but it's customary to put the name of the planet(s) involved in your thread in the title, so others know if you're taking an unowned planet they wanted or you're interfering with one they already own.
Also, to establish a faction-like entity like the one you described requires OOC notification and approval. The fact that no one knew what you were doing or the problem with it until you brought it up attests to why this is important.
There are ways to resolve this issue, however. Since you're new and don't know the rules, as has been suggested a deal could be worked out to modify what has already been said to work with the Empire's players and respect the work they've already done. Then again, there's the possibility that the entire thread may be disallowed or require heavy rewriting. Don't be discouraged though, everyone makes mistakes and hopefully this problem can be resolved with ease.
Sei, first of all, a quick look at the planet list will show Sullust as part of the Empire. From your pm that Drayson posted in TNO's private forum, you seemed to be asking for his aid in your plans for developing your Free Trade thing without actually having asked if you could do this.
If you did a search for Sullust in the battlegrounds, you will note that TNO has defended the world from outside attacks (Diversity Alliance), a historical note that has not even been mentioned (from what I could see) in your bio or your rp.
Personally, I do not mind you roleplaying your own niche in an around Sullust as long as your realize that playing what you have makes your group a "subgroup" within TNO. There is nothing in your writing to suggest you are aware of this fact.
All we ask is that you talk to us and let us know what your intentions are.
With most regret and embarrassment, I sincerely apologize, in the wake of my actions, the problems I have caused. Before I begin, I would like to assert that I appreciate everyone’s attention and tact in this situation. I still have trouble understanding this site. Knowing of whom I need to pose questions or comments and to where I should post these questions rank at the top of my list. Even after posting with this character for almost a month, I still feel lost in the larger-than-life galaxy that has been created. :(
While I understand the actions I have devised in my mind come in conflict, I would like to quell or help remedy this issue as painlessly as possible. Whether I must edit all my posts or come to some sort of agreement with TNO, I have no problems. Words are words and text can always be rewritten. I would like to clarify that I do understand Omnae’s questioning my understanding of history. For me, maybe not for others, I look up information, and evidently not find exactly everything I am looking for, but I am not sure where to start. Sorry for my undesired ignorance, maybe in the coming weeks I can remedy that myself with some help… *wipes brow*
Understand from my perspective, it is so hard starting as a new member and not knowing who I should refer to first. I only know about two individuals because I have played with them before, Paul and Beff. Anytime I had questions or issues, I would address them with them. Now I am not trying to start a conflict with members, and I hope people are not so apt at flaming me yet because I do not want to start making enemies faster than I have begun creating a character, or two, that I actually enjoy writing. I have talked with these individuals and asked if what I have been writing has been a problem.
In fact, Beff has at times provided me with suggestions to make sure I do not hurt or damage the TRF timeline, for which I obliged. After awhile, I guess no one bothered to point something out to me, and I think the problem escalated from there. I will say it again to smooth things over, I am not trying to break down any work or structure that someone has created. I am more than willing to make concessions, but the gravity this situation appears to have become I honestly had no idea that what I have done was to such severity. :O
No one has pmed me or contacted me, and Demosthenes, I would have appreciated a response at least to explain where the problem was so that I could fix or make changes. My pm was cryptic, sorry for the vagueness but I do not like saying to much about details in an introductory message especially since I have not ever talked with you before. As for arrangements with the Imperials, I was hoping that posting with Grand Moff Drayson in a thread would have fixed or satiated any problems because it was obvious the Empire was not going to be pleased with developments in one of their systems.
The Free Trade Directorate was not a complete ominous or powerful entity that was taking control from the Empire, in fact as Omnae suggested; the entity was working as a subgroup of the Empire much like the SoroSuub Corporation had done to the Sullustans long ago during the early reign of Palpatine’s New Order. I really just wished that if there were problems someone could have told me because I had planned on explaining and fixing all these issues with the upcoming thread that I was expecting to write with a couple TNO characters, but I have not had an opportunity to do so. As for Irtarded’s point of whether I had talked to anyone, no I have not.
I only talked with people I knew because they more about the hierarchy and structure of the roleplaying board than I do and I wanted to make sure I made the right course of actions, obviously, I had not and I am quite sorry for not speaking with anyone. As a ‘newb’, I hope everyone can see how hard it is to understand when it is okay for something to occur and not for something to occur. I have looked, but I guess I am not looking in the right places. I guess there is still more to learn, and it seems rather complex not knowing where to look and seek all these loose threads, knowing how to put all this information together. o_O
As for the planets/moon/asteroids, I would also like to know for which stipulations apply. I know that capturing a world requires 5,000 words. The word limit is, of course, not an issue, but what constitutes appropriate control with asteroids/asteroid fields/satellites is still confusing me. I understand that stipulations have changed, and I take Irtarded’s suggestions, but it seems so complicated from where I am sitting. :|
*with orant hands* Please, do not kill me yet. However, I will come back later this evening and flesh out what I, in my mind, had created so that everyone can butcher, chastise, maim, and possibly understand where my intentions are, but I am willing to be most reasonable. Do not feel guilty about making me rewrite or trash the thread because I can always make use of content for future use, but with serious consideration of course.
You are welcome to pm me about what your aims are or wait till I get on AIM. SN is CapriciaPrime. I probably will be online on Wednesday Evening around 5:00pm-ish
